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Rainforest London England 28 Dec 23 5.04pm | |
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Well said.
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Elphers40 Sunny South Coast 28 Dec 23 5.36pm | |
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Originally posted by YoDougie
Finally found a moment to fully express my views following the loss yesterday against Chelsea. I believe we have reached a moment where the blame must be equally split between both Roy Hodgson & Steve Parish/The Board. Starting with the board, regardless of the views of the Viera sacking, bringing Hodgson back to finish the final 10 or so games last season was a very sensible move. He steadied the ship, albeit against on-paper 'easier' opposition and kept us safe. There was a lot of frustrated fans in Roy's final season and that gave him the opportunity to receive the hero's goodbye which he quite frankly deserved. However, in those 3-4 months it was Parish/the board's responsibility to be scouting a new successor. I genuinely don't quite understand the thinking behind appointing Roy for 1 more year. It's not long term and therefore doesn't help our club move forward. Just retain and stay still for a year. I've seen a similar argument recently and historically here before which is 'who else can do the job?' and I really despise this weak argument. Firstly, we are an established Premier League club - the idea that nobody would be attracted here is ridiculous. Secondly, it's not down to us as fans to identify someone. We know the big available names i.e Cooper, Lopetegui - etc, but we have a scouting team who should be identifying exciting and available managers from other leagues, domestic and abroad. They exist and we've seen other clubs find them and become successful with them over the years. With Roy Hodgson, we've regressed to negative tactics which frustrated us all in his final season with us. Play for a draw, using his same 12-13 players on rotation, players being played out of position, and subs being used very late if we're lucky. I've seen a few comments asking if anyone else could do better with our team? My view on this is strongly yes. Our team is not a poor team - it's a skeleton squad for sure but we have some very good talent here. Olise & Eze are our star boys. Guehi & Anderson are a superb CB pairing. Lerma, Doucoure (when fit) are both strong, talented midfielders and Hughes has been much improved this season. Richards is playing out of position but his defensive abilities - tackling, interceptions and tracking back is very very good. But a midfielder he is not. Our spine is strong and we genuinely have no idea how good players like Franca, Ozoh, JRS because their minutes have been minimal. Finally, something I've noticed is whilst we don't want to sell players, we almost never earn any money from any player sales. With FFP, we can spend a certain % of club earnings. Well, if we aren't selling ever, our earnings and profit are of course lower. I'm not saying we should sell our top players but we need to be smarter to reinvest. Zaha for example should not have been allowed to leave for free. Even if we secured £20mill for him with a contract and agreement with him we'd let him go, that's further investment available for us to build the squad and manager/coaching staff. This is an issue that doesn't get discussed enough. Every club makes player sales, except us. Unfortunately, Roy needs to leave now. But the board needs to adjust the way they are running this club. (This is not a Parish out post)
Very well said!
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Plaistow Eagle 28 Dec 23 5.36pm | |
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Originally posted by YoDougie
Finally found a moment to fully express my views following the loss yesterday against Chelsea. I believe we have reached a moment where the blame must be equally split between both Roy Hodgson & Steve Parish/The Board. Starting with the board, regardless of the views of the Viera sacking, bringing Hodgson back to finish the final 10 or so games last season was a very sensible move. He steadied the ship, albeit against on-paper 'easier' opposition and kept us safe. There was a lot of frustrated fans in Roy's final season and that gave him the opportunity to receive the hero's goodbye which he quite frankly deserved. However, in those 3-4 months it was Parish/the board's responsibility to be scouting a new successor. I genuinely don't quite understand the thinking behind appointing Roy for 1 more year. It's not long term and therefore doesn't help our club move forward. Just retain and stay still for a year. I've seen a similar argument recently and historically here before which is 'who else can do the job?' and I really despise this weak argument. Firstly, we are an established Premier League club - the idea that nobody would be attracted here is ridiculous. Secondly, it's not down to us as fans to identify someone. We know the big available names i.e Cooper, Lopetegui - etc, but we have a scouting team who should be identifying exciting and available managers from other leagues, domestic and abroad. They exist and we've seen other clubs find them and become successful with them over the years. With Roy Hodgson, we've regressed to negative tactics which frustrated us all in his final season with us. Play for a draw, using his same 12-13 players on rotation, players being played out of position, and subs being used very late if we're lucky. I've seen a few comments asking if anyone else could do better with our team? My view on this is strongly yes. Our team is not a poor team - it's a skeleton squad for sure but we have some very good talent here. Olise & Eze are our star boys. Guehi & Anderson are a superb CB pairing. Lerma, Doucoure (when fit) are both strong, talented midfielders and Hughes has been much improved this season. Richards is playing out of position but his defensive abilities - tackling, interceptions and tracking back is very very good. But a midfielder he is not. Our spine is strong and we genuinely have no idea how good players like Franca, Ozoh, JRS because their minutes have been minimal. Finally, something I've noticed is whilst we don't want to sell players, we almost never earn any money from any player sales. With FFP, we can spend a certain % of club earnings. Well, if we aren't selling ever, our earnings and profit are of course lower. I'm not saying we should sell our top players but we need to be smarter to reinvest. Zaha for example should not have been allowed to leave for free. Even if we secured £20mill for him with a contract and agreement with him we'd let him go, that's further investment available for us to build the squad and manager/coaching staff. This is an issue that doesn't get discussed enough. Every club makes player sales, except us. Unfortunately, Roy needs to leave now. But the board needs to adjust the way they are running this club. (This is not a Parish out post)
100% agree and top post by the way..!! COYP
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Croydon-Trucker 28 Dec 23 6.07pm | |
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Originally posted by n wales eagles
You are a number one tosser Yes agree with you there , nothing funny about cancer .
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PatrickA London 28 Dec 23 6.32pm | |
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Have you ever played for Palace I read the above elsewhere. It's a spoof about the interview process for a new manager.
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eritheagle Erith 28 Dec 23 6.36pm | |
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I've heard that Roy's press conference has been cancelled tomorrow as in the process of being sacked!
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southnorwoodhill 28 Dec 23 6.40pm | |
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Originally posted by YoDougie
Finally found a moment to fully express my views following the loss yesterday against Chelsea. I believe we have reached a moment where the blame must be equally split between both Roy Hodgson & Steve Parish/The Board.
A very good post. All those responsible in the running of the club at the top end are culpable for the current situation.
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Eaglecoops CR3 28 Dec 23 6.51pm | |
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I spoke today to someone who knows Dougie quite well. Apparently Dougie is fuming that Franca is being given very little opportunity to impress on the pitch. I don’t know how much truth is in it, but just reporting as told.
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redshift Toronto 28 Dec 23 6.53pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The big difference between this and the Vieira situation is that under him, we looked like we could never win a game. The performances became totally unacceptable. The trouble is that no one can predict the outcome of sacking Roy. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (28 Dec 2023 11.53am)
We can't predict the outcome of keeping Roy in place either but we can take a measured guess given past performance this year and that looks dire. So, I'd like to take a flyer and try to change that, but maybe that's just me.
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AERO 28 Dec 23 6.56pm | |
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Source eritheagle ?
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southnorwoodhill 28 Dec 23 6.58pm | |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
I spoke today to someone who knows Dougie quite well. Apparently Dougie is fuming that Franca is being given very little opportunity to impress on the pitch. I don’t know how much truth is in it, but just reporting as told. One does get the impression that those at the the top running the club (the board / the manager) are not all pulling in the same direction, all to the detriment of what happens on the pitch.
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Living In Hope Petersfield 28 Dec 23 7.47pm | |
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I think we stand as good a chance of staying up with Roy in charge as with anyone else. But under Roy it will be a question of squeezing out points with ultra-cautious tactics and a completely defensive mindset. I think we should change manager now because I believe our class players (Johnson, Guehi, Andersen, Doucoure, Eze, Olise) will all want to leave by the end of the season if they continue to play under this stifling regime. But bless Roy, for the most part he has done the job asked of him.
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