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 Willo  South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Dec 22 10.59am |
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
And if not, the next one, if not the next euros, if not the next euros and so on. It’s a mentality thing with England atm as the players are certainly there. Kane typified that yesterday, melting at the pivotal moment. It’s not a complete write off of Southgate but I don’t think he’s the manager to really instil that last piece of the puzzle. Is it the case of him performing better than previous England managers (a low bar in any context) or is he falling short with our best generation arguably since ‘66? I’d suggest the latter. In Southgate's defence, under his tutelage, England reached the semi-final of the World Cup in 2018 and the final of Euro 2020. People in the world of football have concluded that the job he has done is worthy of plaudits.His reputation is not damaged by last night's defeat.
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| footythoughts Beckenham 11 Dec 22 11.01am |
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There was some really dodgy decisions by the ref in the England game, but ultimately we fell short. Not by a wide margin though; all in all I think we can be proud of our performance and the team. It often comes down to fine margins and there's of course disappointment for all bar one team every four years. To my mind we were still one of the best teams in the tournament and if we'd have won against France then who knows. I'll be cheering on the underdogs in the semis, it's been such an open World Cup and an enjoyable one at that, so I'll not let our exit sour that.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Dec 22 11.05am |
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Originally posted by footythoughts
There was some really dodgy decisions by the ref in the England game, but ultimately we fell short. Not by a wide margin though; all in all I think we can be proud of our performance and the team. It often comes down to fine margins and there's of course disappointment for all bar one team every four years. To my mind we were still one of the best teams in the tournament and if we'd have won against France then who knows. I'll be cheering on the underdogs in the semis, it's been such an open World Cup and an enjoyable one at that, so I'll not let our exit sour that. England did not shirk before the challenge and they did not approach the encounter with an inferiority mindset against a team considered the best in the world. Edited by Willo (11 Dec 2022 11.05am)
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| footythoughts Beckenham 11 Dec 22 11.05am |
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Originally posted by Willo
In Southgate's defence, under his tutelage, England reached the semi-final of the World Cup in 2018 and the final of Euro 2020. People in the world of football have concluded that the job he has done is worthy of plaudits.His reputation is not damaged by last night's defeat. I tend to agree. 'Southgate out' has become a bit of a cliche for a while now and if we'd won last night instead of lost - which I struggle to blame Southgate for - no-one would've been calling for him to go at this tournament. Not everything can be fixed by replacing the manager, and the England team in my view are more than decent anyway and his reassuring management style more effective than many managers past. We need to build on where we are rather than search for negatives.
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| footythoughts Beckenham 11 Dec 22 11.07am |
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Originally posted by Willo
England did not shirk before the challenge and they did not approach the encounter with an inferiority mindset against a team considered the best in the world. Edited by Willo (11 Dec 2022 11.05am) I agree, of course there will be disappointment but we represented ourselves well, and were not outclassed by any measure. Positive play and it could've very easily have been a different result.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Dec 22 11.09am |
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Originally posted by footythoughts
I tend to agree. 'Southgate out' has become a bit of a cliche for a while now and if we'd won last night instead of lost - which I struggle to blame Southgate for - no-one would've been calling for him to go at this tournament. Not everything can be fixed by replacing the manager, and the England team in my view are more than decent anyway and his reassuring management style more effective than many managers past. We need to build on where we are rather than search for negatives. Southgate creates a spirit in the squad and has a clear vision of how he wants England to play.
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| footythoughts Beckenham 11 Dec 22 11.16am |
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Originally posted by Willo
Southgate creates a spirit in the squad and has a clear vision of how he wants England to play. Very true. I think it's easy to get caught up on Southgates quiet manner, but he's a reassuring presence for the team in a way that hasn't been true of many England managers past. He has the squads respect and a positive outlook. I'd have loved for us to do better here, but to my mind neither he nor the team has let us down.
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 11 Dec 22 11.20am |
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In a day or two decisions will be analysed. For instance, Giroud comes on, no one marks him - an obvious aerial threat - he scores. What was all the time wasting in injury time? Why start every game so poorly?
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Dec 22 11.21am |
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Originally posted by footythoughts
Very true. I think it's easy to get caught up on Southgates quiet manner, but he's a reassuring presence for the team in a way that hasn't been true of many England managers past. He has the squads respect and a positive outlook. I'd have loved for us to do better here, but to my mind neither he nor the team has let us down. This was Southgate's third tournament, he is still affecting his players positively and they are still trying to deliver what he desires.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Dec 22 11.23am |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
In a day or two decisions will be analysed. For instance, Giroud comes on, no one marks him - an obvious aerial threat - he scores. What was all the time wasting in injury time? Why start every game so poorly? The wording has led me to conclude that in your opinion Giroud was introduced from the bench.He started the game. Apropos the goal he scored, he was being marked by Maguire but managed to get his head to the ball delivered with some aplomb by Griezmann. Edited by Willo (11 Dec 2022 11.26am)
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| Plumpton eagle East Sussex 11 Dec 22 11.32am |
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I think that Southgate benefitted from taking charge of England at a very low point. Low expectations etc. He did a good job reversing the trend and had the good fortune of a great new generation of young talent coming through. He does and says exactly what the FA wants to see and hear. However, I think at best, he has plateaued. We regularly beat the lesser teams but rarely any quality teams. As one offs you could blame the players but not when it is a habit. I certainly wouldn’t want him as Palace manger and doubt any top 8 premier league team would take him. So, I think it is time to say “Gareth, thanks for what you’ve done but we need a new mindset to lead the team”. A bit like the end of Roy’s time at Palace.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Dec 22 11.43am |
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Originally posted by Plumpton eagle
I think that Southgate benefitted from taking charge of England at a very low point. Low expectations etc. He did a good job reversing the trend and had the good fortune of a great new generation of young talent coming through. He does and says exactly what the FA wants to see and hear. However, I think at best, he has plateaued. We regularly beat the lesser teams but rarely any quality teams. As one offs you could blame the players but not when it is a habit. I certainly wouldn’t want him as Palace manger and doubt any top 8 premier league team would take him. So, I think it is time to say “Gareth, thanks for what you’ve done but we need a new mindset to lead the team”. A bit like the end of Roy’s time at Palace. One supposes the question is "Who else is there ?". And who would even desire the job ?
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