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Ukraine Situation - Should We Be Worried?
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 steeleye20  Croydon 24 Feb 22 1.04pm |
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This is sad for the Ukrainian people. They do, however, elect their leaders. The people who signed the Minsk agreements 7 years ago and failed to comply with them ever since, while building up its army to threaten Russian-speaking people on their border, a highly sensitive super-power. And their comedian president is still there, he is even talking about nuclear weapons and imposing 'martial law', he even turned the gas off. What a t**t, being in the 'Russian Empire' would probably be a relief.
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| Stirlingsays 24 Feb 22 1.04pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It seems we are much more closely aligned on this than on almost any previous subject. If we can agree on this maybe we could offer ourselves as mediators? After all it must be a small miracle! We are certainly aligned on the need for calm and a general support for the Ukrainian people. As for how we got here, I doubt we would agree....I'm highly critic of our western elites on that. As for how this develops Russia has other markets to sell to and I don't really accept that our poor has to suffer for the incompetence of our elites while its media paint a justifying picture. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Feb 2022 1.05pm)
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 georgenorman 24 Feb 22 1.08pm |
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Hopefully, Premier League footballers will adopt some sort of posture (perhaps standing on their heads) to show their support for Ukranian Lives Matter. Surely that would make Putin think twice. (I do realise that the likes of Steeleye would of course boo such demonstrations.)
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BlueJay  UK 24 Feb 22 1.09pm |
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Originally posted by Uphill
There is mortal danger all around. If Putin succeeds in annexing Ukraine where does that leave Poland, Romania, Finland and the Baltic states ? Putin will he be eyeing these adjacent ex-Soviet enemies and satellites with relish ? We cannot fight him in Ukraine but if he attacks a NATO member this could start World War Three His mental state is very worrying, and I am very concerned about the future. His action may act as a green light for China to invade Taiwan with consequences in Asia as well as in Europe. A sensible perspective in a very worrying time. Turning a blind eye to Putin's actions due to him essentially threatening the world with the use of nukes if they step in, creates a major conundrum. As in I'm not sure why that situation would be different if he then invaded another country down the line. And as you say, this gives a green light to China too. There are knock ons of acting too, but doing nothing isn't really an option. It's an encouragement. Edited by BlueJay (24 Feb 2022 1.09pm)
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| Stirlingsays 24 Feb 22 1.10pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Putin would never have gone ahead with his invasion if NATO had granted Ukraine emergency membership. Force is the only thing he respects. As Lenin said: "You probe with bayonets: if you find mush, you push. If you find steel, you withdraw."
Did you watch the Liddle video on this from earlier in the thread? Why on earth are Nato pushing eastwards into former Soviet countries without there being an understanding with Russia? Why are we in a situation where a European country like Russia is allied with China? Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Feb 2022 1.12pm)
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| BlueJay UK 24 Feb 22 1.12pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
This is sad for the Ukrainian people. They do, however, elect their leaders. The people who signed the Minsk agreements 7 years ago and failed to comply with them ever since, while building up its army to threaten Russian-speaking people on their border, a highly sensitive super-power. And their comedian president is still there, he is even talking about nuclear weapons and imposing 'martial law', he even turned the gas off. What a t**t, being in the 'Russian Empire' would probably be a relief.
More appeasement. From your unthinking outlook I'm inclined to think you've turned the gas on rather than off.
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| georgenorman 24 Feb 22 1.14pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Force is the only thing both sides respect. Did you watch the Liddle video on this from earlier in the thread? Why on earth are Nato pushing eastwards into former Soviet countries without there being an understanding with Russia? Why are we in a situation where a European country like Russia is allied with China? Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Feb 2022 1.12pm) Beacuse they are former Soviet countries and enttiled to determine their own futures. Nato should have granted Ukraine membership.
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| Stirlingsays 24 Feb 22 1.19pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Beacuse they are former Soviet countries and enttiled to determine their own futures. Nato should have granted Ukraine membership. I would also like Russia in Nato, these are all European countries. In my view you should watch the Liddle video. None of this has been handled well.
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 24 Feb 22 1.24pm |
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I'm waiting for the volunteers, like the Spanish Civil War, setting up International Brigades.
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| georgenorman 24 Feb 22 1.33pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I would also like Russia in Nato, these are all European countries. In my view you should watch the Liddle video. None of this has been handled well. I've read Liddle's article in the Spectator where he argues that we should have made friends with Putin and let Russia join NATO. I think it would be like making friends with Hitler in the 1930s or Stalin in the 1950s or Mao in the 1960s or Pol Pot in the 1970s. NATO was formed almost entriely to oppose Soviet Russia. To let them join when they are still a totalitarian state under another guise would be mad. Having let them join and they then invade Ukraine, what we do - assist them? Edited by georgenorman (24 Feb 2022 1.34pm)
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| Stirlingsays 24 Feb 22 1.45pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
I've read Liddle's article in the Spectator where he argues that we should have made friends with Putin and let Russia join NATO. I think it would be like making friends with Hitler in the 1930s or Stalin in the 1950s or Mao in the 1960s or Pol Pot in the 1970s. NATO was formed almost entriely to oppose Soviet Russia. To let them join when they are still a totalitarian state under another guise would be mad. Having let them join and they then invade Ukraine, what we do - assist them? Edited by georgenorman (24 Feb 2022 1.34pm) Putin isn't a good guy however I think you have gone completely off the deep end with those comparisons. I can only agree with Liddle personally but if you think being a hawk over the Ukraine is appropriate we can only respectfully disagree. However, if he attacked a Nato country the picture changes for me. The rush for a war now seems pointless. With calmness I don't see Russia fighting outside of Ukraine however I view Taiwan as having the far greater potential for killing us all. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Feb 2022 1.46pm)
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 24 Feb 22 1.47pm |
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Originally posted by dreamwaverider
Be very interesting to see how far we go on this one. Could Chelsea fall into administration or something equivalent? Every cloud
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