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bicycle repair man 29 Oct 18 3.01pm
Originally posted by Dannyh.V2 Oh dear,IMO you are spouting utterly biased,bigoted pro HF propaganda. Will a person need to pass an audition to join the singing section ? Are the current members of the HF willing to be turfed out of their seats in 20 years time when they are deemed past it ? Will big brother be watching to make sure the choir is singing for the full 90 minutes ? Do most fellow supporters really think it's fair that Marge & Bert are being treated as 2nd class fans,who can be pushed around at the whim of the HF and a weak chairman ? What a total farce,caused by the HF,that has made Palace a laughing stock among football fans throughout the country.
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Originally posted by Dannyh.V2

Oh dear,IMO you are spouting utterly biased,bigoted pro HF propaganda.
Will a person need to pass an audition to join the singing section ?
Are the current members of the HF willing to be turfed out of their seats in 20 years time when they are deemed past it ?
Will big brother be watching to make sure the choir is singing for the full 90 minutes ?
Do most fellow supporters really think it's fair that Marge & Bert are being treated as 2nd class fans,who can be pushed around at the whim of the HF and a weak chairman ?
What a total farce,caused by the HF,that has made Palace a laughing stock among football fans throughout the country.

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eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 29 Oct 18 3.13pm
Originally posted by Dannyh.V2 Now I DO know its you, my apologies for being a bit too personnel. We will disagree over this & as you quite rightly say its 'opinions'. Hope things are going ok for you & your rise up the ranks of 'they who shall be always abused' are progressing well. TC my friend & look forward to seeing you soon(at Dannys new boozer?) This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.
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On The Road To Hell & Alicante 29 Oct 18 3.13pm

Originally posted by Dannyh.V2

Now I DO know its you, my apologies for being a bit too personnel. We will disagree over this & as you quite rightly say its 'opinions'. Hope things are going ok for you & your rise up the ranks of 'they who shall be always abused' are progressing well.

TC my friend & look forward to seeing you soon(at Dannys new boozer?)

This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

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20 Spaces Isnt Enoug Bolton 29 Oct 18 3.25pm
Originally posted by Mapletree I spoke to a member of PTID (NOT the HF but apparently close to them) on Sunday His belief is that nobody will be forced out. In his opinion those people that ask to stay put and become a part of the singing section will be able to do that I await anyone in authority confirming that. If it is true then I am happy, I wouldn't have minded moving into the HF in any case so them coming to me is fine. As long as they show respect to us old uns, which I suspect is not entirely guaranteed. And how would that work if everyone in Block E said they wanted to stay and sing?
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Originally posted by Mapletree

I spoke to a member of PTID (NOT the HF but apparently close to them) on Sunday

His belief is that nobody will be forced out. In his opinion those people that ask to stay put and become a part of the singing section will be able to do that

I await anyone in authority confirming that.

If it is true then I am happy, I wouldn't have minded moving into the HF in any case so them coming to me is fine. As long as they show respect to us old uns, which I suspect is not entirely guaranteed.

And how would that work if everyone in Block E

said they wanted to stay and sing?

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Turd Alert Woldingham 29 Oct 18 3.31pm
Originally posted by eagleman13 So, what if season after next, after the so-called HF have had their way, SP decidies, that NO, he doesn't want them in Block E, he wants them out becos of more 'favourable & profitable' fans, will you still say the same? It appears you failed to actually digest my post, so in answer to the hypothetical situation you have mentioned, the answer would be YES, as it is the clubs right to do that. Lucky for you that situation is a hypothetical, the current one we are speaking of is not thus i stand by what i said. RIP staffie
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Woldingham 29 Oct 18 3.31pm

Originally posted by eagleman13

So, what if season after next, after the so-called HF have had their way, SP decidies, that NO, he doesn't want them in Block E, he wants them out becos of more 'favourable & profitable' fans, will you still say the same?

It appears you failed to actually digest my post, so in answer to the hypothetical situation you have mentioned, the answer would be YES, as it is the clubs right to do that. Lucky for you that situation is a hypothetical, the current one we are speaking of is not thus i stand by what i said.

RIP staffie

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Dean_CPFC South london 29 Oct 18 4.00pm
Originally posted by bicycle repair man Oh dear,IMO you are spouting utterly biased,bigoted pro HF propaganda. Will a person need to pass an audition to join the singing section ? Are the current members of the HF willing to be turfed out of their seats in 20 years time when they are deemed past it ? Will big brother be watching to make sure the choir is singing for the full 90 minutes ? Do most fellow supporters really think it's fair that Marge & Bert are being treated as 2nd class fans,who can be pushed around at the whim of the HF and a weak chairman ? What a total farce,caused by the HF,that has made Palace a laughing stock among football fans throughout the country. A weak chairman?? By all accounts, just like a lot of other fans, Parish wants this to happen because he can see how good it will be. It's a big bold move by the club, something that most other clubs are wasting their time still debating! Of course people are going to have to move but that is a unfortunate by product of any major change to make progress. Lets all hope those moving get decently looked after! Edited by Dean_CPFC (29 Oct 2018 4.02pm)
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South london 29 Oct 18 4.00pm

Originally posted by bicycle repair man

A weak chairman?? By all accounts, just like a lot of other fans, Parish wants this to happen because he can see how good it will be. It's a big bold move by the club, something that most other clubs are wasting their time still debating!

Of course people are going to have to move but that is a unfortunate by product of any major change to make progress. Lets all hope those moving get decently looked after!

Edited by Dean_CPFC (29 Oct 2018 4.02pm)

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Dannyh.V2 Stone lickers 29 Oct 18 4.24pm
Originally posted by bicycle repair man Oh dear,IMO you are spouting utterly biased,bigoted pro HF propaganda. Will a person need to pass an audition to join the singing section ? Are the current members of the HF willing to be turfed out of their seats in 20 years time when they are deemed past it ? Will big brother be watching to make sure the choir is singing for the full 90 minutes ? Do most fellow supporters really think it's fair that Marge & Bert are being treated as 2nd class fans,who can be pushed around at the whim of the HF and a weak chairman ? What a total farce,caused by the HF,that has made Palace a laughing stock among football fans throughout the country. The only farce mate is the ball smashingly potent levels of irony in that post. Telling me I'm a propaganda agent for the HF. Would a propaganda merchant for the HF describe their behaviour as "spoilt child" like as I did ? As for being a bigot, at this juncture I have to ask you if you can read and digest what is in front of you, or are you (more irony alert) being bigoted towards the HF and our "weak chairman". Just like Jamesy before you have not counter argued, or given any valid reason (other than the tired line of " but I've sat here for years" for not moving. Where as I have given you a reason for moving, you just don't like it, as you appear to have some form of agenda against the HF, which is sad really as we all support Palace. And in my eyes they dig out blind in that particular arena, your Marge's and Bert's do not, so why shouldn't they move to make the atmosphere better, surely if they have the club at heart as you proclaim (and not some irrational jingoistic attitude for their square foot of plastic seating)then surely they should welcome a move to make the atmosphere even better. No ?
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Stone lickers 29 Oct 18 4.24pm

Originally posted by bicycle repair man

Oh dear,IMO you are spouting utterly biased,bigoted pro HF propaganda.

Will a person need to pass an audition to join the singing section ?

Are the current members of the HF willing to be turfed out of their seats in 20 years time when they are deemed past it ?

Will big brother be watching to make sure the choir is singing for the full 90 minutes ?

Do most fellow supporters really think it's fair that Marge & Bert are being treated as 2nd class fans,who can be pushed around at the whim of the HF and a weak chairman ?

What a total farce,caused by the HF,that has made Palace a laughing stock among football fans throughout the country.

The only farce mate is the ball smashingly potent levels of irony in that post.

Telling me I'm a propaganda agent for the HF. Would a propaganda merchant for the HF describe their behaviour as "spoilt child" like as I did ?

As for being a bigot, at this juncture I have to ask you if you can read and digest what is in front of you, or are you (more irony alert) being bigoted towards the HF and our "weak chairman".

Just like Jamesy before you have not counter argued, or given any valid reason (other than the tired line of " but I've sat here for years" for not moving.

Where as I have given you a reason for moving, you just don't like it, as you appear to have some form of agenda against the HF, which is sad really as we all support Palace.

And in my eyes they dig out blind in that particular arena, your Marge's and Bert's do not, so why shouldn't they move to make the atmosphere better, surely if they have the club at heart as you proclaim (and not some irrational jingoistic attitude for their square foot of plastic seating)then surely they should welcome a move to make the atmosphere even better. No ?

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Dannyh.V2 Stone lickers 29 Oct 18 4.26pm
Originally posted by Dannyh.V2 The only farce mate is the ball smashingly potent levels of irony in that post. Telling me I'm a propaganda agent for the HF. Would a propaganda merchant for the HF describe their behaviour as "spoilt child" like as I did ? As for being a bigot, at this juncture I have to ask you if you can read and digest what is in front of you, or are you (more irony alert ) being bigoted towards the HF and our "weak chairman". Just like Jamesy before you have not counter argued, or given any valid reason (other than the tired line of " but I've sat here for years" for not moving. Where as I have given you a reason for moving, you just don't like it, as you appear to have some form of agenda against the HF, which is sad really as we all support Palace. And in my eyes they dig out blind in that particular arena, your Marge's and Bert's do not, so why shouldn't they move to make the atmosphere better, surely if they have the club at heart as you proclaim (and not some irrational jingoistic attitude for their square foot of plastic seating)then surely they should welcome a move to make the atmosphere even better. No ?
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Stone lickers 29 Oct 18 4.26pm

Originally posted by Dannyh.V2

The only farce mate is the ball smashingly potent levels of irony in that post.

Telling me I'm a propaganda agent for the HF. Would a propaganda merchant for the HF describe their behaviour as "spoilt child" like as I did ?

As for being a bigot, at this juncture I have to ask you if you can read and digest what is in front of you, or are you (more irony alert ) being bigoted towards the HF and our "weak chairman".

Just like Jamesy before you have not counter argued, or given any valid reason (other than the tired line of " but I've sat here for years" for not moving.

Where as I have given you a reason for moving, you just don't like it, as you appear to have some form of agenda against the HF, which is sad really as we all support Palace.

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Jamesey Wandsworth 29 Oct 18 5.19pm
Dannyh - because you have said that I have not given a counter argument, (twice) read the link on my reply quite a while back. It contains hundreds of words countering your own views. So please be polite and don’t tell fibs. Please don’t bother to reply as there will be nowt not already told by you in long, long detail. If you are the person I think you might be and wish to remain incognito, I won’t go into details. But you might have provided me with liquid refreshment in a couple of Selhurst establishments in the past. This grumpy old geezer has only thanks for that. Edited by Jamesey (29 Oct 2018 9.59pm) Nothing is fool-proof - fools are too ingenious
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Wandsworth 29 Oct 18 5.19pm

Dannyh - because you have said that I have not given a counter argument, (twice) read the link on my reply quite a while back. It contains hundreds of words countering your own views. So please be polite and don’t tell fibs.

Please don’t bother to reply as there will be nowt not already told by you in long, long detail.

If you are the person I think you might be and wish to remain incognito, I won’t go into details. But you might have provided me with liquid refreshment in a couple of Selhurst establishments in the past.

This grumpy old geezer has only thanks for that.

Edited by Jamesey (29 Oct 2018 9.59pm)

Nothing is fool-proof - fools are too ingenious

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est1905 29 Oct 18 5.54pm
Originally posted by Dean_CPFC A weak chairman?? By all accounts, just like a lot of other fans, Parish wants this to happen because he can see how good it will be. It's a big bold move by the club, something that most other clubs are wasting their time still debating! Of course people are going to have to move but that is a unfortunate by product of any major change to make progress. Lets all hope those moving get decently looked after! Edited by Dean_CPFC (29 Oct 2018 4.02pm) Early indications would suggest not.
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29 Oct 18 5.54pm

Originally posted by Dean_CPFC

Of course people are going to have to move but that is a unfortunate by product of any major change to make progress. Lets all hope those moving get decently looked after!

Edited by Dean_CPFC (29 Oct 2018 4.02pm)

Early indications would suggest not.

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bicycle repair man 29 Oct 18 6.06pm
Originally posted by Dannyh.V2 Yes I can read,and I have read many valid arguments which oppose yours. And surely if the HF had "the club at heart" they would have continued supporting the Palace en masse in block B until the completion of the new stand,after which they could have the entire lower tier to themselves,after all they chose to sit in Block B in the first place. The HF are a selfish,egotistical, impatient bunch. However it's pointless debating with a person who is so selective when they read posts which they don't like,and completely ignore any salient counterpoints.
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bicycle repair man 29 Oct 18 6.06pm

Originally posted by Dannyh.V2

Yes I can read,and I have read many valid arguments which oppose yours.
And surely if the HF had "the club at heart" they would have continued supporting the Palace en masse in block B until the completion of the new stand,after which they could have the entire lower tier to themselves,after all they chose to sit in Block B in the first place.
The HF are a selfish,egotistical, impatient bunch.
However it's pointless debating with a person who is so selective when they read posts which they don't like,and completely ignore any salient counterpoints.

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Ginger Pubic Wig Wickham de L'Ouest 30 Oct 18 9.50am
One concern I have about the singing section/HF is that if it does work it might well attract fans/behaviour that the club desperately needs to avoid. A 400-strong singing group can quite easily morph into a 400-strong mob/firm/organized group. There aren't many self-policing, pacifist ultra groups around Europe and they can easily gain sway over a club. That's often been an issue in Italy I believe (I'm sure somebody else will know better). Some Palace fans clearly instigated minor moments of trouble at Man U and Spurs last season, there are regularly little incidents of stuff being thrown on the pitch from nearby where the HF were. (Even if the HF's own involvement was normally denied). A large singing section can easily become a breeding ground for stuff that the club doesn't want to see. It can easily whip itself up into an old school frenzy. Then what will Parish do? How would he move a singing group on once he's installed it? Actually, how will he maintain it once he's started it, too? (To be clear, despite this I'm still in favour of a singing section) If you want to live in a world full of kindness, respect and love, try to show these qualities.
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One concern I have about the singing section/HF is that if it does work it might well attract fans/behaviour that the club desperately needs to avoid. A 400-strong singing group can quite easily morph into a 400-strong mob/firm/organized group.

There aren't many self-policing, pacifist ultra groups around Europe and they can easily gain sway over a club. That's often been an issue in Italy I believe (I'm sure somebody else will know better).

Some Palace fans clearly instigated minor moments of trouble at Man U and Spurs last season, there are regularly little incidents of stuff being thrown on the pitch from nearby where the HF were. (Even if the HF's own involvement was normally denied).

A large singing section can easily become a breeding ground for stuff that the club doesn't want to see. It can easily whip itself up into an old school frenzy. Then what will Parish do? How would he move a singing group on once he's installed it? Actually, how will he maintain it once he's started it, too?

(To be clear, despite this I'm still in favour of a singing section)

If you want to live in a world full of kindness, respect and love, try to show these qualities.

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Dannyh.V2 Stone lickers 30 Oct 18 9.57am
Originally posted by bicycle repair man Yes I can read,and I have read many valid arguments which oppose yours. Well you haven't posted any And surely if the HF had "the club at heart" they would have continued supporting the Palace en masse in block B until the completion of the new stand,after which they could have the entire lower tier to themselves,after all they chose to sit in Block B in the first place. This is why I asked if you could read as I said (it pains me to have to point this out again) they have acted like spoilt kids, but so are the "remain" camp. The HF are a selfish,egotistical, impatient bunch. That follow our club through hell and high water, sun rain or snow home and away who create an unparalleled atmosphere at the club. The this is my seat im not moving mob simply do not, a fact you seem unable or unwilling to grasp. However it's pointless debating with a person who is so selective when they read posts which they don't like,and completely ignore any salient counterpoints. Firstly ohhhh the irony, that first part of your sentence is so coated with irony you could almost taste it. And I haven't ignored any salient points at all, you just haven't made any, the only argument you have offered is "it's there seat they have been there ages". Which is incorrect, it's not their seat, it's the clubs that they loan during a game.
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Stone lickers 30 Oct 18 9.57am

Originally posted by bicycle repair man

Yes I can read,and I have read many valid arguments which oppose yours.

Well you haven't posted any

And surely if the HF had "the club at heart" they would have continued supporting the Palace en masse in block B until the completion of the new stand,after which they could have the entire lower tier to themselves,after all they chose to sit in Block B in the first place.

This is why I asked if you could read as I said (it pains me to have to point this out again) they have acted like spoilt kids, but so are the "remain" camp.

The HF are a selfish,egotistical, impatient bunch.

That follow our club through hell and high water, sun rain or snow home and away who create an unparalleled atmosphere at the club. The this is my seat im not moving mob simply do not, a fact you seem unable or unwilling to grasp.

However it's pointless debating with a person who is so selective when they read posts which they don't like,and completely ignore any salient counterpoints.

Firstly ohhhh the irony, that first part of your sentence is so coated with irony you could almost taste it.

And I haven't ignored any salient points at all, you just haven't made any, the only argument you have offered is "it's there seat they have been there ages". Which is incorrect, it's not their seat, it's the clubs that they loan during a game.

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