Regarding our Sweden discussions, I see that they have just reintroduced conscription. Is this a new 'progressive' policy? Can we expect it to be deployed here? Perhaps the HOL progressives can advise.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

Yes, but won't the soldiers have to set up some sort of communal workshop to discuss every order before voting whether to carry it out or not?

Edited by hedgehog50 (02 Mar 2017 1.57pm)

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

From the man who demands details, names and addresses for every casual generalisation, accusation and political stereotyping, here is some political stereotyping and accusation.

Well well.

I find it funny when you try to be clever. Doesn't that count?

So your post about 'regressives' was moving the debate forward eh?

I'll let others decide that.

As for debating immigrant crime. No point.
The liberal left will blame the judiciary, the police,the right wing, the government, poverty, racism, social mobility and absolutely anything rather than admit that immigrants commit more crime than the existing population and that the problem could be reduced by having a lot less immigrants. Various governments will bend over backward to airbrush the reality so they can continue their highly unpopular plans for mass immigration until we the voters stop them. Sweden has already seen the light and cut immigration already. Now they have to spin the mess they have already made.

No it's not always the immigrants fault and all of the factors I have listed above do have an effect for sure, but the whole issue begins when we allow people to come here or Sweden and begin their new lives with an immediate disadvantage, whereby they occupy the lowest levels of society, many having little desire to be absorbed into the existing one.
And I'm just talking about the regulars. I haven't mentioned,the drug traffickers,the slave trade bosses,the rape gang rings, The street gang members, the criminal gangs, the terrorist cells, the religious/political agitators. All the things that are a reality of mass immigration and one's that the liberal left want to turn a blind eye to to protect an ideology. I site Rotherham as one example of many.

That said, the average immigrant is just an opportunist. He/she wants a better life. He/she is not to blame for a system that encourages people to migrate. He/she can be just as easily be a victim of that system. These people don't deserve to be made pariahs, they are just people doing what people do.

The trouble is that their plight impacts on my plight and yours and our kids and as I have said many times, my priority is to them first. Some bloke from Poland or Nigeria is way down my list of priorities, it's that simple.

Now this subject is getting very boring. Neither of us will alter out opinions so I'm done.

Infantile as usual.

In fact being British has very little bearing on how I prioritise.
To put it simply, it is just that in a finite country with a population that is already too big, adding more people can only be a bad thing for my kids.
Increasing a population beyond a certain size can only exert pressures on the popultion. In my life time, increased population has brought nothing but problems and that should hardly be a surprise to anyone with a brain.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (02 Mar 2017 3.40pm)