You've gone from being 100% certain for days that there was no political aspect whatsoever to joe cox's murder, to then making a 360 turn to ideas of 'if there was its because of the left' to even refusing to rule out mad conspiracy theories about her death. What exactly was wrong with just saying all along that there are multiple aspects to what happened like me and anyone else with a shred of sense was saying? It would've saved a lot of time. We all have our own politics yes but there has to be a limit to the hardsell.

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The problem with these theories is that with no evidence you can't really back them up or even give plausible motive. If you do you sound like a lunatic.

Pretty poor way to undermine Leave but while ineffective, between the EU, US and UK governments, and the corporate interest it's doable. Still not buying it though.

That said, that should be a reminder that the EU are just as corruptible despite morons voting remain because the EU can't be bought like the Tories can.

From that height, somewhere within two blocks isn't beyond the realm of possibility. Something small is more likely to travel further, especially something light - whereas something like a black box recorder is designed to stay in the wreckage, and likely buried under the collapsing towers.

I think that's the key problem with conspiracy theories - that they believe that questions represent evidence. With the everyone along with the police and FBI likely scouring the area for evidence, and with a passenger manifest list, it isn't that surprising it was found and identified fairly quickly.

Its important to remember that the conspiracy theorists focus on them finding 'that one item' as if its all that they recovered, as opposed to the fact they collected a lot of materials, and would have issued orders for anything that possibly identified someone in the crash to be singled out immediately.

Standard procedure in air crashes is to collect and immediately report any identification found in wreckage - for fairly obvious reasons.

I'm not saying that it wasn't a conspiracy - it certainly was, but that there isn't really any very conclusive evidence that the conspiracy wasn't focused specifically on 17 or 18 Islamists, funded by Al-Qaeda.

You can't really prove something by just saying 'this looks suspect' or 'this doesn't seem likely'. Those are valid questions, but they are not proof in and of themselves.

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both sides have ramped things up to such an extent that people are going into meltdown left right and centre. its more comforting to go into 9/11 conspiracy mode but this unfortunate event was most likely a combination of mental illness, affinity with extreme groups and a toxic political atomsphere.

people have gone so full throttle in opposite directions that the vote result will become less important than getting everyone back of the same page and realising that much of life and who we are remains untouched by both stay or leave outcomes.

Conspiracy theorist are thought of as a bit crazy, not all there! I say we are lucky to have persistent individuals with mindsets like that, that say NO, that answer is not sufficient. I need to know more, and exactly what happened.
Without them, Liverpool 96 wouldn't have got justice.
-Watergate
-Gulf of Tonkin Incident
-The Iraq war inq
-Fifa racketeering
-The banking crisis

There is more to this murder than is being revealed right now for sure.

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I get where you are coming from, and certainly the role of Al-Qaeda and the CIA in Afghanistan is pretty well documented and represents a classic recurring mistake in US foreign policy (the enemy of my enemy is my friend).

I certainly think the events of 9/11 were massively exploited by US neo-conservatives to 'do what they couldn't do otherwise', but that they engineered it, is really plausible either - especially given the economic disaster it created by hitting the twin towers and shutting down the US exchange.

Its also not the first time the Twin Towers were targeted by Islamists related to Al-Qaeda (they were bombed in 1993).

Also the US governments intelligence agencies also operated fronts and funding through companies operating out of business operating through the Twin Towers - notably to overseas interests and factions.

Likely as not, any false flag attack would have been much smaller in scale, probably a station or air port bombing, as these tend to be easier to control - and where it does, nations that do this, tend to commission the action out to an allied intelligence agency to commission through a controlled asset (for increased deniability).

Of course there is a real possibility that the FBI and affiliated agencies ignored the threat, because another attack would be advantageous - Its important to remember that many of the people who work in these agencies are just 'government stooges' who do what they're told.

The same US government couldn't pull off finding WMD in Iraq, but could pull off the Twin Towers attack. Seems unlikely to me.

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