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 Ouzo Dan  Behind you 05 Sep 14 2.29pm |
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They burnt their passports they are stateless as far as I am concerned. Anyone who thinks they are coming back because of a change of heart is a fool, the fight is going south & they've s*** their pants & want a way out. We cannot allow these people to come back here & risk them being a catalyst to other impressionable sky fairy believers.
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Quote Ouzo Dan at 05 Sep 2014 2.29pm
They burnt their passports they are stateless as far as I am concerned. Anyone who thinks they are coming back because of a change of heart is a fool, the fight is going south & they've s*** their pants & want a way out. We cannot allow these people to come back here & risk them being a catalyst to other impressionable sky fairy believers. Religious people?
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 05 Sep 14 2.36pm |
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Quote Ouzo Dan at 05 Sep 2014 2.29pm
They burnt their passports they are stateless as far as I am concerned. Anyone who thinks they are coming back because of a change of heart is a fool, the fight is going south & they've s*** their pants & want a way out. We cannot allow these people to come back here & risk them being a catalyst to other impressionable sky fairy believers. I'm happy for them to come back, be picked up by the security services etc and interogated, prosecuted and then spend the next 20-30 odd years in prison for terror offences. Obviously its important to get the ones who went and joined ISIS, rather than those who may have been in Syria for more humanitarian reasons etc.
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| Ouzo Dan Behind you 05 Sep 14 2.40pm |
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Quote Ouzo Dan at 05 Sep 2014 2.29pm
They burnt their passports they are stateless as far as I am concerned. Anyone who thinks they are coming back because of a change of heart is a fool, the fight is going south & they've s*** their pants & want a way out. We cannot allow these people to come back here & risk them being a catalyst to other impressionable sky fairy believers. Religious people? yes
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pefwin  Where you have to have an English ... 05 Sep 14 2.44pm |
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Quote Ouzo Dan at 05 Sep 2014 2.29pm
They burnt their passports they are stateless as far as I am concerned. Anyone who thinks they are coming back because of a change of heart is a fool, the fight is going south & they've s*** their pants & want a way out. We cannot allow these people to come back here & risk them being a catalyst to other impressionable sky fairy believers. I'm happy for them to come back, be picked up by the security services etc and interogated, prosecuted and then spend the next 20-30 odd years in prison for terror offences. Obviously its important to get the ones who went and joined ISIS, rather than those who may have been in Syria for more humanitarian reasons etc. Sorry to hear about your Mum. As far as I am aware Treason legislation is still on the books. It may be a urban myth that it is and if so, why not use that where applicable, although I think since the severest penalty is now life imprisonment, not sure. If so we could deal with all returning jihadists and all catholic priests in one swoop (that is still treasonable).
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Seth  On a pale blue dot 05 Sep 14 2.48pm |
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Now some of these jihadis want to return home. They can stay and rot in the Middle East for all i care.
Good point, but would a sudden change of heart really convince them to convince other young Muslims that fighting for ISIS isn't all it's cracked up to be?
Those who don't should be prosecuted and tried under the laws of the land.
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| Ouzo Dan Behind you 05 Sep 14 2.49pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 05 Sep 2014 2.36pm
Quote Ouzo Dan at 05 Sep 2014 2.29pm
They burnt their passports they are stateless as far as I am concerned. Anyone who thinks they are coming back because of a change of heart is a fool, the fight is going south & they've s*** their pants & want a way out. We cannot allow these people to come back here & risk them being a catalyst to other impressionable sky fairy believers. I'm happy for them to come back, be picked up by the security services etc and interogated, prosecuted and then spend the next 20-30 odd years in prison for terror offences. Obviously its important to get the ones who went and joined ISIS, rather than those who may have been in Syria for more humanitarian reasons etc. I have no problem with those who have gone out there for humanitarian reasons, providing they haven't aligned themselves with the Islamic state or its affiliates. if they have then f*** them. As for the fighters who want to return why pay for them to locked up for 30 years & see to all their needs? They are all citizens of the Islamic state now & not our problem.
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| Ouzo Dan Behind you 05 Sep 14 2.52pm |
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Quote Seth at 05 Sep 2014 2.48pm
Quote Alexi_the_Eagle at 05 Sep 2014 2.01pm
Quote Seth at 05 Sep 2014 1.53pm
Quote Alexi_the_Eagle at 05 Sep 2014 1.41pm
Now some of these jihadis want to return home. They can stay and rot in the Middle East for all i care.
Good point, but would a sudden change of heart really convince them to convince other young Muslims that fighting for ISIS isn't all it's cracked up to be?
Those who don't should be prosecuted and tried under the laws of the land. if they somehow make it back to these shores, they should be tried for their crimes regardless of their level of guilt. This is moot for me though as I no longer consider them British citizens.
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| Seth On a pale blue dot 05 Sep 14 2.54pm |
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Quote Ouzo Dan at 05 Sep 2014 2.49pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 05 Sep 2014 2.36pm
Quote Ouzo Dan at 05 Sep 2014 2.29pm
They burnt their passports they are stateless as far as I am concerned. Anyone who thinks they are coming back because of a change of heart is a fool, the fight is going south & they've s*** their pants & want a way out. We cannot allow these people to come back here & risk them being a catalyst to other impressionable sky fairy believers. I'm happy for them to come back, be picked up by the security services etc and interogated, prosecuted and then spend the next 20-30 odd years in prison for terror offences. Obviously its important to get the ones who went and joined ISIS, rather than those who may have been in Syria for more humanitarian reasons etc. I have no problem with those who have gone out there for humanitarian reasons, providing they haven't aligned themselves with the Islamic state or its affiliates. if they have then f*** them. As for the fighters who want to return why pay for them to locked up for 30 years & see to all their needs? They are all citizens of the Islamic state now & not our problem. Unfortunately under international law they ARE our problem, hence Cameron etc getting hot & bothered about what to do with them. It's simplistic to say we can just wash our hands of them. International law benefits us too and we can't just ignore the bits we don't like.
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| Seth On a pale blue dot 05 Sep 14 2.56pm |
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Quote Ouzo Dan at 05 Sep 2014 2.52pm
Quote Seth at 05 Sep 2014 2.48pm
Quote Alexi_the_Eagle at 05 Sep 2014 2.01pm
Quote Seth at 05 Sep 2014 1.53pm
Quote Alexi_the_Eagle at 05 Sep 2014 1.41pm
Now some of these jihadis want to return home. They can stay and rot in the Middle East for all i care.
Good point, but would a sudden change of heart really convince them to convince other young Muslims that fighting for ISIS isn't all it's cracked up to be?
Those who don't should be prosecuted and tried under the laws of the land. if they somehow make it back to these shores, they should be tried for their crimes regardless of their level of guilt. This is moot for me though as I no longer consider them British citizens.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 05 Sep 14 3.40pm |
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Quote pefwin at 05 Sep 2014 2.44pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 05 Sep 2014 2.36pm
Quote Ouzo Dan at 05 Sep 2014 2.29pm
They burnt their passports they are stateless as far as I am concerned. Anyone who thinks they are coming back because of a change of heart is a fool, the fight is going south & they've s*** their pants & want a way out. We cannot allow these people to come back here & risk them being a catalyst to other impressionable sky fairy believers. I'm happy for them to come back, be picked up by the security services etc and interogated, prosecuted and then spend the next 20-30 odd years in prison for terror offences. Obviously its important to get the ones who went and joined ISIS, rather than those who may have been in Syria for more humanitarian reasons etc. Sorry to hear about your Mum. As far as I am aware Treason legislation is still on the books. It may be a urban myth that it is and if so, why not use that where applicable, although I think since the severest penalty is now life imprisonment, not sure. If so we could deal with all returning jihadists and all catholic priests in one swoop (that is still treasonable). Treason in the UK usually involves betrayal of a responsibility of the state to aid an enemy, I'm not sure its considered to be applicable to civilians per se. So its applicable to soliders, politicians, civil servants, anyone who's signed the offical secrets act, police etc but its very rare to see cases where its applied to the general populace. Usually because to do so would usually be 'embaressing' for the state (for example, anti-war protesters if they were accused of treason it would require that the state present details and documents relating to the war it might otherwise like to keep secret). It is applicable, but its a lot harder to prove than say terrorist and similar offences. A life sentence for treason, is usually a 30 year spell.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 05 Sep 14 3.42pm |
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Quote Ouzo Dan at 05 Sep 2014 2.49pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 05 Sep 2014 2.36pm
Quote Ouzo Dan at 05 Sep 2014 2.29pm
They burnt their passports they are stateless as far as I am concerned. Anyone who thinks they are coming back because of a change of heart is a fool, the fight is going south & they've s*** their pants & want a way out. We cannot allow these people to come back here & risk them being a catalyst to other impressionable sky fairy believers. I'm happy for them to come back, be picked up by the security services etc and interogated, prosecuted and then spend the next 20-30 odd years in prison for terror offences. Obviously its important to get the ones who went and joined ISIS, rather than those who may have been in Syria for more humanitarian reasons etc. I have no problem with those who have gone out there for humanitarian reasons, providing they haven't aligned themselves with the Islamic state or its affiliates. if they have then f*** them. As for the fighters who want to return why pay for them to locked up for 30 years & see to all their needs? They are all citizens of the Islamic state now & not our problem. Refusing them access just makes them someone elses problem. Better to take them out of circulation, and then see what we can learn from them and if they can be turned into intelligence assets. MI-5 have a rather good reputation for creating double agents.
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