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ChrisGC Wantage 03 Jul 19 11.37pm
Originally posted by W12 In what way would consider UKIP’s position on immigration extreme? I don’t want to make this about UKIP in particular but how would the average joe even know what their position is if they do not get a platform to even make a case of have a debate. Neither UKIP or For Britain are anti immigration or in any way white supremacists but at the same time they are far right or nazis. To object to mass immigration or multiculturalism in particular is just an unacceptable position and I’m not having it any more. Excellently put. Enoch Powell had it absolutely spot on. There's nothing to be ashamed of in being concerned about mass, unchecked immigration. It's bonkers.
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Wantage 03 Jul 19 11.37pm

Originally posted by W12

In what way would consider UKIP’s position on immigration extreme? I don’t want to make this about UKIP in particular but how would the average joe even know what their position is if they do not get a platform to even make a case of have a debate. Neither UKIP or For Britain are anti immigration or in any way white supremacists but at the same time they are far right or nazis. To object to mass immigration or multiculturalism in particular is just an unacceptable position and I’m not having it any more.

Excellently put.

Enoch Powell had it absolutely spot on. There's nothing to be ashamed of in being concerned about mass, unchecked immigration. It's bonkers.

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Stirlingsays 04 Jul 19 12.06am
Enoch Powell destroyed his career to tell the truth. Unfortunately, then as now....social constructionists and other morons held the power. There is quality within any group, however the crime and murder rate amongst non EU immigrants and the children of non EU immigrants in the country stands as evidence to his common sense and their lack thereof. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Jul 2019 1.09am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Enoch Powell destroyed his career to tell the truth.

Unfortunately, then as now....social constructionists and other morons held the power.

There is quality within any group, however the crime and murder rate amongst non EU immigrants and the children of non EU immigrants in the country stands as evidence to his common sense and their lack thereof.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Jul 2019 1.09am)

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Jul 19 1.34am
Originally posted by W12 And how does that work in a society controlled by a specific section of society (the middle class or more accurately Baizuo) that will simply not air the views of (and actually demonizes) an individual or political party/group that it deems to be unacceptable. e.g. the majority of people in this country want immigration to be significantly reduced but none of the mainstream media will air those views other than to occasionally mock them or brand them as far right / fascist? Do you think UKIP or For Britain (both I would support) have ever been allowed onto even publicly funded TV other than to demonize them? People in this country do not feel able to speak what's on their minds and that is very dangerous. Politics is now propaganda and journalists are now activists. That's just a bs opinion from a particular point of view. You no more can speak for the "majority" than anyone else. That's why we hold elections and that's the only time that we determine what people really think collectively. I see no lack of opportunity for views like yours to be expressed. Indeed I read them far too often for my liking. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 04 Jul 19 1.34am

Originally posted by W12

And how does that work in a society controlled by a specific section of society (the middle class or more accurately Baizuo) that will simply not air the views of (and actually demonizes) an individual or political party/group that it deems to be unacceptable. e.g. the majority of people in this country want immigration to be significantly reduced but none of the mainstream media will air those views other than to occasionally mock them or brand them as far right / fascist? Do you think UKIP or For Britain (both I would support) have ever been allowed onto even publicly funded TV other than to demonize them? People in this country do not feel able to speak what's on their minds and that is very dangerous. Politics is now propaganda and journalists are now activists.

That's just a bs opinion from a particular point of view. You no more can speak for the "majority" than anyone else. That's why we hold elections and that's the only time that we determine what people really think collectively. I see no lack of opportunity for views like yours to be expressed. Indeed I read them far too often for my liking.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Jul 19 1.41am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle A lawsuit is in progress to force the release of Trump’s tax returns. Not sure what people expect to find that the IRS has missed. The IRS don't make their concerns public, nor are financial gymnastics always illegal. The real point though is that Trump's claims about his vast wealth are thought by many to be lies, and his methods of operation far from ethical. That he has something to hide is obvious, for he would not be squirming so much otherwise. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 04 Jul 19 1.41am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

A lawsuit is in progress to force the release of Trump’s tax returns. Not sure what people expect to find that the IRS has missed.

The IRS don't make their concerns public, nor are financial gymnastics always illegal. The real point though is that Trump's claims about his vast wealth are thought by many to be lies, and his methods of operation far from ethical. That he has something to hide is obvious, for he would not be squirming so much otherwise.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Jul 19 1.46am
Originally posted by ChrisGC Excellently put. Enoch Powell had it absolutely spot on. There's nothing to be ashamed of in being concerned about mass, unchecked immigration. It's bonkers. You are quite right, there is nothing to be ashamed of in being concerned about mass, unchecked immigration. So if and when we ever remove all our controls and restrictions your objections will have my support. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (04 Jul 2019 2.00am) For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 04 Jul 19 1.46am

Originally posted by ChrisGC

Excellently put.

Enoch Powell had it absolutely spot on. There's nothing to be ashamed of in being concerned about mass, unchecked immigration. It's bonkers.

You are quite right, there is nothing to be ashamed of in being concerned about mass, unchecked immigration.

So if and when we ever remove all our controls and restrictions your objections will have my support.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (04 Jul 2019 2.00am)

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Jul 19 1.55am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Or to give them another term, activist communists. Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Jul 2019 1.57pm) Let me make it very clear. I have no sympathy at all with Antifa. Just as I have no sympathy with any group promoting their political views with any kind of direct action, let alone violence. That includes Greenpeace by the way. Peaceful protest is fine but we must decide things via the ballot box. However to describe all who belong to Antifa as "communists" is just wrong. Some undoubtedly are but others are anarchists, and some simply opposed to fascism. The clue is in the name. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 04 Jul 19 1.55am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Or to give them another term, activist communists.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Jul 2019 1.57pm)

Let me make it very clear. I have no sympathy at all with Antifa. Just as I have no sympathy with any group promoting their political views with any kind of direct action, let alone violence. That includes Greenpeace by the way. Peaceful protest is fine but we must decide things via the ballot box.

However to describe all who belong to Antifa as "communists" is just wrong. Some undoubtedly are but others are anarchists, and some simply opposed to fascism. The clue is in the name.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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cryrst The garden of England 04 Jul 19 5.59am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Let me make it very clear. I have no sympathy at all with Antifa. Just as I have no sympathy with any group promoting their political views with any kind of direct action, let alone violence. That includes Greenpeace by the way. Peaceful protest is fine but we must decide things via the ballot box. However to describe all who belong to Antifa as "communists" is just wrong. Some undoubtedly are but others are anarchists, and some simply opposed to fascism. The clue is in the name. So you think that ours and the USA governments are fascist. Check out your dictionary and look back in history. If that was the case you'd be posting to danh and him alone.
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The garden of England 04 Jul 19 5.59am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

However to describe all who belong to Antifa as "communists" is just wrong. Some undoubtedly are but others are anarchists, and some simply opposed to fascism. The clue is in the name.

So you think that ours and the USA governments are fascist.
Check out your dictionary and look back in history.
If that was the case you'd be posting to danh and him alone.

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.TUX. 04 Jul 19 7.27am
Happy 4th of July to all our American cousins. Buy Litecoin.
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04 Jul 19 7.27am

Happy 4th of July to all our American cousins.

Buy Litecoin.

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 04 Jul 19 8.00am
Originally posted by W12 In what way would consider UKIP’s position on immigration extreme? I don’t want to make this about UKIP in particular but how would the average joe even know what their position is if they do not get a platform to even make a case of have a debate. Neither UKIP or For Britain are anti immigration or in any way white supremacists but at the same time they are far right or nazis. To object to mass immigration or multiculturalism in particular is just an unacceptable position and I’m not having it any more. That’s not remotely true - we’ll soon have a PM who is openly against mass immigration, the Brexit party just cleaned up in the European elections and had ample coverage throughout that campaign. The whole point feels years out of date. UKIP’s coverage is representative - they have no elected MPs, so why should they get anything more than minimal coverage? As Stirling metioned above, the Brexit party had tons of coverage during the European elections; if you have the support you will get the coverage. Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (04 Jul 2019 8.00am)
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Originally posted by W12

That’s not remotely true - we’ll soon have a PM who is openly against mass immigration, the Brexit party just cleaned up in the European elections and had ample coverage throughout that campaign. The whole point feels years out of date.

UKIP’s coverage is representative - they have no elected MPs, so why should they get anything more than minimal coverage? As Stirling metioned above, the Brexit party had tons of coverage during the European elections; if you have the support you will get the coverage.

Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (04 Jul 2019 8.00am)

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Stirlingsays 04 Jul 19 8.30am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Let me make it very clear. I have no sympathy at all with Antifa. Just as I have no sympathy with any group promoting their political views with any kind of direct action, let alone violence. That includes Greenpeace by the way. Peaceful protest is fine but we must decide things via the ballot box. However to describe all who belong to Antifa as "communists" is just wrong. Some undoubtedly are but others are anarchists, and some simply opposed to fascism. The clue is in the name. It is true to say not everyone who attends an Antifa rally will be a communist. It's accurate to say they will be a mixture of activist militants from various sections of the left against what they perceive as fascism or groups they don't like. However, Antifa is full of communists and communism lies at its core. I'm curious, would you be bothered with such refinements of description if we had been referring to the Charlottesville rally? 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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04 Jul 19 8.30am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

However to describe all who belong to Antifa as "communists" is just wrong. Some undoubtedly are but others are anarchists, and some simply opposed to fascism. The clue is in the name.

It is true to say not everyone who attends an Antifa rally will be a communist. It's accurate to say they will be a mixture of activist militants from various sections of the left against what they perceive as fascism or groups they don't like.

However, Antifa is full of communists and communism lies at its core.

I'm curious, would you be bothered with such refinements of description if we had been referring to the Charlottesville rally?

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Badger11 Beckenham 04 Jul 19 8.35am
Originally posted by .TUX. Happy 4th of July to all our American cousins. Ditto. On this great day for the cousins I hope they look at our Head of State and their Head of state and wonder did we make a mistake? Is it too late to change our minds? I hope they fly the original flag that Nike so shamefully has pulled. It was never a racist flag and was a symbol of the original 13 colonies. Just because a bunch of Nazis hijacked it for their own means no one group should be allowed to claim a national symbol whether it's their original flag or the flag of St George. Happy 4th of July cousins. Edited by Badger11 (04 Jul 2019 8.35am) One more point
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Beckenham 04 Jul 19 8.35am

Originally posted by .TUX.

Happy 4th of July to all our American cousins.

Ditto.

On this great day for the cousins I hope they look at our Head of State and their Head of state and wonder did we make a mistake? Is it too late to change our minds?

I hope they fly the original flag that Nike so shamefully has pulled. It was never a racist flag and was a symbol of the original 13 colonies. Just because a bunch of Nazis hijacked it for their own means no one group should be allowed to claim a national symbol whether it's their original flag or the flag of St George.

Happy 4th of July cousins.

Edited by Badger11 (04 Jul 2019 8.35am)

One more point

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Jul 19 8.39am
Originally posted by cryrst So you think that ours and the USA governments are fascist. Check out your dictionary and look back in history. If that was the case you'd be posting to danh and him alone. No of course I don't and how you reach the conclusion that I do from my previous post beats me. It was about Antifa and not any governments or even whether Antifa's opinions of any government is valid. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (04 Jul 2019 8.57am) For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 04 Jul 19 8.39am

Originally posted by cryrst

So you think that ours and the USA governments are fascist.
Check out your dictionary and look back in history.
If that was the case you'd be posting to danh and him alone.

No of course I don't and how you reach the conclusion that I do from my previous post beats me. It was about Antifa and not any governments or even whether Antifa's opinions of any government is valid.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (04 Jul 2019 8.57am)

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