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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 02 Jul 16 7.27pm | |
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Originally posted by craigb
17 million out of a total population of about 60 million and that's democracy? Did they ALL vote ???????
Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky. |
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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 02 Jul 16 7.28pm | |
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Originally posted by craigb
And who they might be ???
Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky. |
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Stirlingsays 02 Jul 16 8.13pm | |
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Originally posted by craigb
I assume the same applies to the tory euro sceptics that forced the referendum who could never accept the result of the first referendum in 75. ? In 75 most people accepted the result. We had nothing like the ridiculous behaviour now. Also there were far more on the left campaigning against than today. The Tories started to fight the EU when it decided.....in the eighties to slowly become more federalist with every treaty.
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Hrolf The Ganger 02 Jul 16 9.49pm | |
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Originally posted by craigb
I assume the same applies to the tory euro sceptics that forced the referendum who could never accept the result of the first referendum in 75. The Tory party who was democratically elected to make decisions on our behalf as with every British government. Since 1975 the EU has been making undemocratic decisions that most of us don't want.
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Hoof Hearted 03 Jul 16 10.18am | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Eh? You cracked a joke on the Jo Cox thread very early on that turned out to be very misjudged. Others thought so too. The link showed that the out of money note was indeed a joke so my response to (I think it was Hrolf) the comment was pointing something out. ... the note that was left by Liam Byrne saying that "there's no money" was intended as a joke, not as a serious statement of fact. The joke being a reiteration of the 1965 note left by the Tory Chancellor Reginald Maudling for his successor Jim Callaghan that said "good luck old cock, sorry to leave it in a mess". I was only trying to lighten the mood FFS. It was Stuk's fault for putting a capital N on Neighbours.... if he had used a small n I wouldn't have even thought of Home and Away. and besides that.... CF's comments right at the very start were very disrespectful, but you said fcuk all to him, just went for me.
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Hoof Hearted 03 Jul 16 10.42am | |
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Originally posted by craigb
I assume the same applies to the tory euro sceptics that forced the referendum who could never accept the result of the first referendum in 75. I voted in 1975.... as a 21 year old who believed that we were voting to stay in the EEC (The European Economic Community) or the Common Market as it was known then. The vote was 2-1 in favour of remain, but most voters thought it was just a market... not the beginnings of a federal european super state that one day would decide our laws, force to accept mass immigration and subsidise the rest of europe's economies? And yes... back then those that lost the vote accepted it with dignity and good grace as it was the will of the people. Much much later we realised we had been conned and this led to the formation of UKIP and also Tories being eurosceptic... even Corbyn was anti EU for 40 years (despite supporting Remain in the 2016 referendum). These idiots that are now whinging on facebook, starting petitions and protesting in London & Bristol are just pathetic cry baby bad losers. Democracy has won. Those older voters that felt cheated in 1975, but had to bide their time, had the last laugh as they outvoted the younger generation who were selfishly looking after their personal wealth and not about future generations being able to own their own house. Older people won because they have more fight and resilience - younger people want it all done for them, preferring a poll on facebook or twitter to decide things rather than adhering to Parliamentary process, like turning up to vote whatever the weather and being registered to vote! They also won because they have seen what mass immigration has done to their communities since 1975. Younger people accept it for what it is but us old-ens remember a quieter more peaceful time where you could buy a house as a 23 year old, like I did, could see your GP the day you were ill, your kids went to the nearest school to where they lived, could drive around without the roads being grid-locked etc.... Life was good before the EEC/EU and it can be again once we've reversed all the bureaucracy and are in charge of our own destiny.
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Mapletree Croydon 03 Jul 16 10.53am | |
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Originally posted by susmik
And who they might be ??? Let me hazard a guess. 16 and 17 year olds. Still, at least the 13m under 18 year olds can rely on the 11.6m over 65s to understand and represent their needs and wishes for the long term.
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Hoof Hearted 03 Jul 16 11.06am | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Let me hazard a guess. 16 and 17 year olds. Still, at least the 13m under 18 year olds can rely on the 11.6m over 65s to understand and represent their needs and wishes for the long term. At least the over 65's won't be on Twitter/Facebook wasting their time whingeing about those needs and wishes - they will roll their sleeves up and get on with fixing what is wrong Maple ! Putting the bins out for collection, getting healthy wholesome food into the household, cutting the grass etc... in other words all the sh1tty stuff the young can't be arsed to do, but expect it to magically happen.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 03 Jul 16 11.14am | |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
At least the over 65's won't be on Twitter/Facebook wasting their time whingeing about those needs and wishes - they will roll their sleeves up and get on with fixing what is wrong Maple ! Putting the bins out for collection, getting healthy wholesome food into the household, cutting the grass etc... in other words all the sh1tty stuff the young can't be arsed to do, but expect it to magically happen. Hoof I wouldn't have put it in such a way but I understand your sentiments. It is the so called "Young" who will benefit from NOT being part of the EU in years to come.My goodness, EU membership has hardly helped the young with unemployment in this age group up to 50% in some member states.In this respect the EU has spectacularly failed the young generation.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 03 Jul 16 11.19am | |
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Originally posted by Willo
Hoof I wouldn't have put it in such a way but I understand your sentiments. It is the so called "Young" who will benefit from NOT being part of the EU in years to come.My goodness, EU membership has hardly helped the young with unemployment in this age group up to 50% in some member states.In this respect the EU has spectacularly failed the young generation. Precisely.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 03 Jul 16 11.19am | |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
I voted in 1975.... as a 21 year old who believed that we were voting to stay in the EEC (The European Economic Community) or the Common Market as it was known then. The vote was 2-1 in favour of remain, but most voters thought it was just a market... not the beginnings of a federal european super state that one day would decide our laws, force to accept mass immigration and subsidise the rest of europe's economies? And yes... back then those that lost the vote accepted it with dignity and good grace as it was the will of the people. Much much later we realised we had been conned and this led to the formation of UKIP and also Tories being eurosceptic... even Corbyn was anti EU for 40 years (despite supporting Remain in the 2016 referendum). These idiots that are now whinging on facebook, starting petitions and protesting in London & Bristol are just pathetic cry baby bad losers. Democracy has won. Those older voters that felt cheated in 1975, but had to bide their time, had the last laugh as they outvoted the younger generation who were selfishly looking after their personal wealth and not about future generations being able to own their own house. Older people won because they have more fight and resilience - younger people want it all done for them, preferring a poll on facebook or twitter to decide things rather than adhering to Parliamentary process, like turning up to vote whatever the weather and being registered to vote! They also won because they have seen what mass immigration has done to their communities since 1975. Younger people accept it for what it is but us old-ens remember a quieter more peaceful time where you could buy a house as a 23 year old, like I did, could see your GP the day you were ill, your kids went to the nearest school to where they lived, could drive around without the roads being grid-locked etc.... Life was good before the EEC/EU and it can be again once we've reversed all the bureaucracy and are in charge of our own destiny.
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Mapletree Croydon 03 Jul 16 11.20am | |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
At least the over 65's won't be on Twitter/Facebook wasting their time whingeing about those needs and wishes - they will roll their sleeves up and get on with fixing what is wrong Maple ! Putting the bins out for collection, getting healthy wholesome food into the household, cutting the grass etc... in other words all the sh1tty stuff the young can't be arsed to do, but expect it to magically happen. I look forward to empirical evidence the young no longer cut the lawn. I have noticed they seem quite keen on cooking and buying decent food. The BBC are very good at sneaking in public information films about stuff like cookery whilst disguising it as entertainment and it appears to be having an effect. Young people are even learning how to sew it seems. Whatever you think of social media it is the future and fluency is actually rather important. As indeed you as a silver surfer seem to have adopted given you are on this site quite a bit. I have said this many times, I have faith in the youth of South London, albeit mostly those South of Selhurst. And I find them better informed than many of the older generation with whom I meet. In any case it's going to be their world soon enough. It always amazes me how few people understood the point Knut tried to make so cleverly. Edited by Mapletree (03 Jul 2016 11.21am)
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