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 Kermit8  Hevon 06 Jun 17 12.10pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
None of this applies to the real problems we have in UK mosques. You can lead a horse to water....
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hedgehog50  Croydon 06 Jun 17 12.11pm |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
"The Saudis demanded religious conformity in return for their munificence, so Wahhabi rejection of all other forms of Islam as well as other faiths would reach as deeply into Bradford, England, and Buffalo, New York, as into pakistan, Jordan or Syria: everywhere gravely undermining Islam’s traditional pluralism. A whole generation of Muslims, therefore, has grown up with a maverick form of Islam that has given them a negative view of other faiths and an intolerantly sectarian understanding of their own. While not extremist per se, this is an outlook in which radicalism can develop." You are just cut and pasting stuff from the New Statesman.
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| Stirlingsays 06 Jun 17 12.15pm |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
Off this subject for a moment. Regarding our interest in what drives the culture of the form of 'half socialism' from within Nordic countries I found this interesting discussion on the Rubin report with a Swedish comedian. He isn't a supporter but I'm not posting this as an anti socialist piece because....well I'm not against collectivism if it actually worked...I think the analysis is more complex than 'good/bad'...So I've been interested into looking into Nordic culture where it has actually been in place reasonably successfully in some ways. Unfortunately the discussion doesn't just focus upon this point so apologies if you have to wade through other Swedish stuff and find it boring. Here is the link.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 06 Jun 17 12.17pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Well, if we lessen our ties with them then, in turn, their influence here should hopefully diminish too. If we can block the form of Islam they export which clearly leads to extremity and terrorist mentality in a minority then, obviously, that is a way forward. But, as it stands, being friendly with them just encourages it. This is why most of our attackers are home-grown. They have been radicalised into ultra and extreme Wahhabism because it is out there just down the road for them to be exposed to. Cut off the snakes head. But, alas, May will still suck up to the saudis. Planning permissions for more of their mosques will be granted. Their preachers will be left alone. Business as usual, innit. Rather it wasn't. Edited by Kermit8 (06 Jun 2017 12.05pm) This makes no sense. How does allowing our competitors supply them arms 'cut off the snakes head'. What we need to do is block propaganda on line and prevent it being preached in the UK. Anyone involved directly or indirectly in encouraging terrorism should be detained indefinitely or deported.
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| Stirlingsays 06 Jun 17 12.17pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
You can lead a horse to water.... Read the article I posted a link to. Your information isn't accurate. You are just leading me to untreated water.
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| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 06 Jun 17 12.24pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The Russians,the Chinese. Anyone who has the means. The Chinese? I'm fairly sure they are not our enemies. The Tories certainly don't think so seeing as we're selling most of our assets to them. The Russians are also not our enemies. We're not bosom buddies but we're certainly not enemies.
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| Kermit8 Hevon 06 Jun 17 12.24pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
This makes no sense. How does allowing our competitors supply them arms 'cut off the snakes head'. What we need to do is block propaganda on line and prevent it being preached in the UK. Anyone involved directly or indirectly in encouraging terrorism should be detained indefinitely or deported.
It's not just about 'the arms' more about the relationship we have with Saudi and their influence here. The sale of arms is purely the financial side of that relationship but the follow-on from it is the negative societal effects it has had on us because we are so beholden to them because of the dosh.
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| Hansy 06 Jun 17 12.27pm |
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Why did Corbyn vote against labelling Al Qaeda as a terrorist organisation?
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| Stirlingsays 06 Jun 17 12.29pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
It's not just about 'the arms' more about the relationship we have with Saudi and their influence here. The sale of arms is purely the financial side of that relationship but the follow-on from it is the negative societal effects it has had on us because we are so beholden to them because of the dosh. Wahhabism isn't in the vast majority of our mosques. It mainly comes via the Internet. UK's Islamic extremists are already half way there because they are raised in a very socially conservative form of Islam mostly Deobandi.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 06 Jun 17 12.38pm |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
The Chinese? I'm fairly sure they are not our enemies. The Tories certainly don't think so seeing as we're selling most of our assets to them. The Russians are also not our enemies. We're not bosom buddies but we're certainly not enemies. There are no allies or enemies when it comes to selling weapons or business in general.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 06 Jun 17 12.40pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
It's not just about 'the arms' more about the relationship we have with Saudi and their influence here. The sale of arms is purely the financial side of that relationship but the follow-on from it is the negative societal effects it has had on us because we are so beholden to them because of the dosh. How will breaking off relations with the Saudis stop the spread of propaganda? You need to be more specific.
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| Stirlingsays 06 Jun 17 12.49pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
How will breaking off relations with the Saudis stop the spread of propaganda? You need to be more specific. It won't. Disengagement with them and wagging fingers will harden attitudes towards us and ultimately strengthen Iran. We need to work towards moderation within both sides.
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