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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 07 Mar 17 9.39am

Jeremy Corbyn didn’t declare the salary for leader of the opposition because he didn’t know it was him.

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 07 Mar 17 9.55am

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Jeremy Corbyn didn’t declare the salary for leader of the opposition because he didn’t know it was him.

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He he.

At least he declared his tax returns. Where's the clamour in the media for others (cough cough philip hammond) to declare / release theirs?

 

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Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 07 Mar 17 10.08am Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

He he.

At least he declared his tax returns. Where's the clamour in the media for others (cough cough philip hammond) to declare / release theirs?

He released them and he cocked it up. Another needless own goal.

Tories were checked apparently at the last election. I can't say I remember to be honest.

The whole argument about earnings and tax returns is ridiculous and based on envy.

No party will come out well because guess what, lots of wealthy people avoid paying more tax than they need to

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 07 Mar 17 10.16am

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

He released them and he cocked it up. Another needless own goal.

Tories were checked apparently at the last election. I can't say I remember to be honest.

The whole argument about earnings and tax returns is ridiculous and based on envy.

No party will come out well because guess what, lots of wealthy people avoid paying more tax than they need to


I heard he hadn't cocked them up.

Why shouldn't the public see if mps are paying their fair share in tax?

 

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OknotOK Flag Cockfosters, London 07 Mar 17 10.48am Send a Private Message to OknotOK Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add OknotOK as a friend

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

He released them and he cocked it up. Another needless own goal.

Tories were checked apparently at the last election. I can't say I remember to be honest.

The whole argument about earnings and tax returns is ridiculous and based on envy.

No party will come out well because guess what, lots of wealthy people avoid paying more tax than they need to

It does appear he hasn't cocked them up but it wasn't very transparently completed (or at least not in a way his spokesperson was able to follow) so does appear as an own goal.

But is does highlight the very obvious media bias against him and in favour of the government at the moment. A person agrees to release his tax return and is effectively criticised over lack of transparency (Corbyn). A person refuses to release his tax return and receives no criticism (Hammond).

I don't think they should have to have released their tax return. It is irrelevant and personal. But the media are happy to conduct a campaign against Corbyn for doing nothing wrong, but leave government ministers off the hook for worse "offences".

The narrative on JC has been written and whether it's fair or not, for the good of the Labour party and for the good of the democratic process in this country, I do wish he would just go

Edited by OknotOK (07 Mar 2017 10.49am)

 


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Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 07 Mar 17 11.09am Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

Originally posted by OknotOK

It does appear he hasn't cocked them up but it wasn't very transparently completed (or at least not in a way his spokesperson was able to follow) so does appear as an own goal.

But is does highlight the very obvious media bias against him and in favour of the government at the moment. A person agrees to release his tax return and is effectively criticised over lack of transparency (Corbyn). A person refuses to release his tax return and receives no criticism (Hammond).

I don't think they should have to have released their tax return. It is irrelevant and personal. But the media are happy to conduct a campaign against Corbyn for doing nothing wrong, but leave government ministers off the hook for worse "offences".

The narrative on JC has been written and whether it's fair or not, for the good of the Labour party and for the good of the democratic process in this country, I do wish he would just go

Edited by OknotOK (07 Mar 2017 10.49am)


Corbyn set himseof up re the Tax Returns, most people are ambivalent until the odd pop star in tax avoidance shocker

If you have Twitter it is worth reading through this thread by Jolyon Maugham. If you look at his other stuff, he takes no prisoners on either side of the political spectrum. Worth a read.

Edited by Y Ddraig Goch (07 Mar 2017 11.11am)

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards robdave2k Flag 07 Mar 17 11.31am

Originally posted by nickgusset


I heard he hadn't cocked them up.

Why shouldn't the public see if mps are paying their fair share in tax?

Publishing a tax return is utterly pointless exercise unless you publish all the schedules that go with it and no one should have to disclose that in public.

Tax returns are private. As is any individuals tax affairs.

Also JC made the rod for his back so can't really complain when the coverage is negative.

Joylon Maugham QC is a fascinating tax commentator to follow. I don't agree with a lot of what he posts, but he is to the left and if you read what he posts he talks a lot of sense in many areas.

And yes I would suspect that either JC or his accountant has cocked it up, in the recording of it if nothing else.

Edited by robdave2k (07 Mar 2017 11.32am)

 

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OknotOK Flag Cockfosters, London 07 Mar 17 11.40am Send a Private Message to OknotOK Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add OknotOK as a friend

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

Corbyn set himseof up re the Tax Returns, most people are ambivalent until the odd pop star in tax avoidance shocker

If you have Twitter it is worth reading through this thread by Jolyon Maugham. If you look at his other stuff, he takes no prisoners on either side of the political spectrum. Worth a read.

Edited by Y Ddraig Goch (07 Mar 2017 11.11am)

I'll check him out. But in essence, I don't think Corbyn has done anything wrong. He has paid all his taxes and attempted to be open and transparent about it. He is then being slated for this. Yes he set himself up as a paragon of virtue hoping that other would look poor in comparison, but he should come out of it looking like a guy who doesn't fully understand a tax form, but is effectively a paragon of virtue on this issue (in terms of tax paid).

But that isn't how it is being reported in the media. That does appear to me as a entrenched bias against him.

I don't think anyone should have to publish their tax returns so Hammond is fine if he doesn't want to. But as far as I can see Corbyn has done little wrong but fill in an amount in the wrong box.

 


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npn Flag Crowborough 07 Mar 17 12.49pm Send a Private Message to npn Add npn as a friend

Originally posted by OknotOK

I'll check him out. But in essence, I don't think Corbyn has done anything wrong. He has paid all his taxes and attempted to be open and transparent about it. He is then being slated for this. Yes he set himself up as a paragon of virtue hoping that other would look poor in comparison, but he should come out of it looking like a guy who doesn't fully understand a tax form, but is effectively a paragon of virtue on this issue (in terms of tax paid).

But that isn't how it is being reported in the media. That does appear to me as a entrenched bias against him.

I don't think anyone should have to publish their tax returns so Hammond is fine if he doesn't want to. But as far as I can see Corbyn has done little wrong but fill in an amount in the wrong box.

He's been a silly @rse!
There is no point, and no need, for an MP to publish their private tax returns any more than any other public servant from policemen to teachers.

What there should be, in my opinion, is rules on what you can earn outside of your parliamentary salary (i.e. I'd be inclined to not think my MP was doing a particularly good job for me if most of her income was from public speaking, for instance). But that may be better served by other means (time recording to ensure the MPs are doing a decent days workl, for instance, but I know that would be hard given travel for those commuting to Westminster)

 

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Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 07 Mar 17 1.29pm Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

Originally posted by OknotOK

But as far as I can see Corbyn has done little wrong but fill in an amount in the wrong box.

Which, as far as I know, can have ramifications in terms of tax liability

 


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OknotOK Flag Cockfosters, London 07 Mar 17 2.20pm Send a Private Message to OknotOK Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add OknotOK as a friend

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

Which, as far as I know, can have ramifications in terms of tax liability

Can do depending upon the nature of the income but is unlikely to have done in this instance. Although can't say I am going to bother looking through as I'm not that interested.

I'm not going to disagree with npn though that he has at least ended up looking like a silly arse out of it. And I'm not really sure how he's managed it. If he wanted to do this as a stunt to shame others, you would think they would at least have vetted his tax return first.

But I think that's just further evidence of the chaotic nature of his administration.

 


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Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 07 Mar 17 3.36pm Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

Corbyn asking people to petition the Chancellor George Osborne

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So is he completely incompetent or is he being stitched up by his own team?

 


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