This page is no longer updated, and is the old forum. For new topics visit the New HOL forum.
Register | Edit Profile | Subscriptions | Forum Rules | Log In
hedgehog50 Croydon 07 Mar 17 9.39am | |
---|---|
Jeremy Corbyn didn’t declare the salary for leader of the opposition because he didn’t know it was him.
We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell] |
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
nickgusset Shizzlehurst 07 Mar 17 9.55am | |
---|---|
Originally posted by hedgehog50
Jeremy Corbyn didn’t declare the salary for leader of the opposition because he didn’t know it was him. He he. At least he declared his tax returns. Where's the clamour in the media for others (cough cough philip hammond) to declare / release theirs?
|
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 07 Mar 17 10.08am | |
---|---|
Originally posted by nickgusset
He he. At least he declared his tax returns. Where's the clamour in the media for others (cough cough philip hammond) to declare / release theirs? He released them and he cocked it up. Another needless own goal. Tories were checked apparently at the last election. I can't say I remember to be honest. The whole argument about earnings and tax returns is ridiculous and based on envy. No party will come out well because guess what, lots of wealthy people avoid paying more tax than they need to
|
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
nickgusset Shizzlehurst 07 Mar 17 10.16am | |
---|---|
Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
He released them and he cocked it up. Another needless own goal. Tories were checked apparently at the last election. I can't say I remember to be honest. The whole argument about earnings and tax returns is ridiculous and based on envy. No party will come out well because guess what, lots of wealthy people avoid paying more tax than they need to
Why shouldn't the public see if mps are paying their fair share in tax?
|
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
OknotOK Cockfosters, London 07 Mar 17 10.48am | |
---|---|
Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
He released them and he cocked it up. Another needless own goal. Tories were checked apparently at the last election. I can't say I remember to be honest. The whole argument about earnings and tax returns is ridiculous and based on envy. No party will come out well because guess what, lots of wealthy people avoid paying more tax than they need to It does appear he hasn't cocked them up but it wasn't very transparently completed (or at least not in a way his spokesperson was able to follow) so does appear as an own goal. But is does highlight the very obvious media bias against him and in favour of the government at the moment. A person agrees to release his tax return and is effectively criticised over lack of transparency (Corbyn). A person refuses to release his tax return and receives no criticism (Hammond). I don't think they should have to have released their tax return. It is irrelevant and personal. But the media are happy to conduct a campaign against Corbyn for doing nothing wrong, but leave government ministers off the hook for worse "offences". The narrative on JC has been written and whether it's fair or not, for the good of the Labour party and for the good of the democratic process in this country, I do wish he would just go Edited by OknotOK (07 Mar 2017 10.49am)
"It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show |
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 07 Mar 17 11.09am | |
---|---|
Originally posted by OknotOK
It does appear he hasn't cocked them up but it wasn't very transparently completed (or at least not in a way his spokesperson was able to follow) so does appear as an own goal. But is does highlight the very obvious media bias against him and in favour of the government at the moment. A person agrees to release his tax return and is effectively criticised over lack of transparency (Corbyn). A person refuses to release his tax return and receives no criticism (Hammond). I don't think they should have to have released their tax return. It is irrelevant and personal. But the media are happy to conduct a campaign against Corbyn for doing nothing wrong, but leave government ministers off the hook for worse "offences". The narrative on JC has been written and whether it's fair or not, for the good of the Labour party and for the good of the democratic process in this country, I do wish he would just go Edited by OknotOK (07 Mar 2017 10.49am)
If you have Twitter it is worth reading through this thread by Jolyon Maugham. If you look at his other stuff, he takes no prisoners on either side of the political spectrum. Worth a read. [Tweet Link]
Edited by Y Ddraig Goch (07 Mar 2017 11.11am)
|
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
robdave2k 07 Mar 17 11.31am | |
---|---|
Originally posted by nickgusset
Why shouldn't the public see if mps are paying their fair share in tax? Publishing a tax return is utterly pointless exercise unless you publish all the schedules that go with it and no one should have to disclose that in public. Tax returns are private. As is any individuals tax affairs. Also JC made the rod for his back so can't really complain when the coverage is negative. Joylon Maugham QC is a fascinating tax commentator to follow. I don't agree with a lot of what he posts, but he is to the left and if you read what he posts he talks a lot of sense in many areas. And yes I would suspect that either JC or his accountant has cocked it up, in the recording of it if nothing else. Edited by robdave2k (07 Mar 2017 11.32am)
|
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
OknotOK Cockfosters, London 07 Mar 17 11.40am | |
---|---|
Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
Corbyn set himseof up re the Tax Returns, most people are ambivalent until the odd pop star in tax avoidance shocker If you have Twitter it is worth reading through this thread by Jolyon Maugham. If you look at his other stuff, he takes no prisoners on either side of the political spectrum. Worth a read. [Tweet Link]
Edited by Y Ddraig Goch (07 Mar 2017 11.11am) I'll check him out. But in essence, I don't think Corbyn has done anything wrong. He has paid all his taxes and attempted to be open and transparent about it. He is then being slated for this. Yes he set himself up as a paragon of virtue hoping that other would look poor in comparison, but he should come out of it looking like a guy who doesn't fully understand a tax form, but is effectively a paragon of virtue on this issue (in terms of tax paid). But that isn't how it is being reported in the media. That does appear to me as a entrenched bias against him. I don't think anyone should have to publish their tax returns so Hammond is fine if he doesn't want to. But as far as I can see Corbyn has done little wrong but fill in an amount in the wrong box.
"It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show |
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
npn Crowborough 07 Mar 17 12.49pm | |
---|---|
Originally posted by OknotOK
I'll check him out. But in essence, I don't think Corbyn has done anything wrong. He has paid all his taxes and attempted to be open and transparent about it. He is then being slated for this. Yes he set himself up as a paragon of virtue hoping that other would look poor in comparison, but he should come out of it looking like a guy who doesn't fully understand a tax form, but is effectively a paragon of virtue on this issue (in terms of tax paid). But that isn't how it is being reported in the media. That does appear to me as a entrenched bias against him. I don't think anyone should have to publish their tax returns so Hammond is fine if he doesn't want to. But as far as I can see Corbyn has done little wrong but fill in an amount in the wrong box. He's been a silly @rse! What there should be, in my opinion, is rules on what you can earn outside of your parliamentary salary (i.e. I'd be inclined to not think my MP was doing a particularly good job for me if most of her income was from public speaking, for instance). But that may be better served by other means (time recording to ensure the MPs are doing a decent days workl, for instance, but I know that would be hard given travel for those commuting to Westminster)
|
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 07 Mar 17 1.29pm | |
---|---|
Originally posted by OknotOK
But as far as I can see Corbyn has done little wrong but fill in an amount in the wrong box. Which, as far as I know, can have ramifications in terms of tax liability
|
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
OknotOK Cockfosters, London 07 Mar 17 2.20pm | |
---|---|
Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
Which, as far as I know, can have ramifications in terms of tax liability Can do depending upon the nature of the income but is unlikely to have done in this instance. Although can't say I am going to bother looking through as I'm not that interested. I'm not going to disagree with npn though that he has at least ended up looking like a silly arse out of it. And I'm not really sure how he's managed it. If he wanted to do this as a stunt to shame others, you would think they would at least have vetted his tax return first. But I think that's just further evidence of the chaotic nature of his administration.
"It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show |
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 07 Mar 17 3.36pm | |
---|---|
Corbyn asking people to petition the Chancellor George Osborne
So is he completely incompetent or is he being stitched up by his own team?
|
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Registration is now on our new message board
To login with your existing username you will need to convert your account over to the new message board.
All images and text on this site are copyright © 1999-2024 The Holmesdale Online, unless otherwise stated.
Web Design by Guntrisoft Ltd.