No, I don’t.

I posted on this thread: “I think 16-18 should be it's own category and my view would be broadly not to allow people over 18 to engage with people under it.

That obviously would mean a couple who were 17 and 19, for example, would not legally be allowed to have sex, which feels harsh, but I think it's a better solution than our current laws.”

I don’t view ‘underage sex’ in itself as a problem that needs solving. I view adults shagging kids as one.

You just stated that whatever percentage of people break the current laws and have underage sex - how many of them end up with criminal records?

Thanks for reminding me for the 50th time on the thread what the current law is - I was really unsure until then.

To be clear; I propose a law which distinguishes between adults and kids, in light of a story of a 30 year old shagging a 16 year old (most of your political allies are very readily defending said 30 year old, by the way ) - I specify that I don’t have a problem with teenagers shagging teenagers, but very much do have a problem with a 30 year old shagging a 16 year old, and your response is ‘what’s far more important is stopping the paedos from shagging underage kids’ - I think a fairly good start to that would be a law that prevents adults shagging teenagers.

I’m not sure what you’re arguing.

I should imagine not that many....for the reason that I stated, that's it's largely unworkable.

A bit passive aggressive but whatever.

I've answered these particular points several times now.

If you aren't sure what I'm arguing then you haven't really read my posts. I'm not sure how much clearer I could have been.

Nevertheless, like I said, If there was a law giving age restriction making it illegal for over 30s shagging 16 year olds you won't get any complaints from me.....I'm mainly pointing out what the real issues are and why what you were proposing with criminising 19 year olds wouldn't work.

However, I share the distaste for large age differences with males shagging female teens......I don't think a 14 year age gap would get that much resistance as most people are repelled by it.

It probably happens rarely enough to make it possible to enforce.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Sep 2023 2.28pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Quick google showed the legal age for sex was lowered from 18 to 16 8/1/01. You & everyone have concentrated on males shagging younger women/girls, what about women shagging younger boys?

As an aside & it will p'ee EbDN right off, my ex-partner was 19 years younger than me & no, she wasn't a teenager when we met, a bit older.

This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

Copy + paste:

“I'm not sure how you've deduced that or why you've decided to personalise a fairly inoffensive opinion. Age gaps obviously become progressively less problematic the older you get, and broadly when all parties are adults (ie. over 18 ) I don't think the law should bother itself with who you shag, as long as it's all consensual.”

Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (26 Sep 2023 3.28pm)

I've been reading this thread and the interactions with some amusement I must say, and I mean that in a very inoffensive and light-hearted way.

For what it's worth, I would suggest criminalising anybody aged from 18 upwards having sexual relationships with anyone below that age. When I was 15 I had a 17 year old girlfriend (of which I was very proud) but I wouldn't expect her to be in breach of the law for what we did. She actually turned 18 before I did 16 (we were no longer affiliated at this point and I fear I was far more heartbroken despite any external image I may have projected) but if this were to of continued, despite it perhaps not making sense to some and in such circumstances, I would understand where that may cross an imposed line.

If an 18 year old has a 17 year old partner of course that is the closest possible to a grey area however tough sh!t as far as I am concerned, the law will have to be the law for the greater good. If both parties are under 18 then that in the worst instance is a social issue and outside of extremes should not be a legal one.

I'd look at it similar to drinking. A few 17 year old mates might drink together but if one turns 18 before the others, he can't legally buy all his mates a round in the pub (I think anyway). That's the law, for good reason, and that's that.

For me anyway, a 16 year old with a 30-something year old is far more worrying than an 18 year old with an 81 year old, as an example. Once you're 18, generally speaking if not legally, you're considered an adult and your responsibility is your own. You can therefore do many things you could not as a child, but cannot involve children in them. Should be the same with sexual consent. Just my opinion of course and not a long considered one, just off the bat, so happy for any offering of an opposing opinion (not that I will agree of course).

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!