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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Jul 23 9.19pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
It amounts to the same thing as you know full well. They also still exist because of public funds. We all know that you can see the bigger picture, so why not just be a man for a change and admit that this lunacy does not serve the greater good, rather than hide behind mealy mouthed excuses. That the result would have been the same had what you think happened actually been true is totally beside the point. It wasn’t what happened and if it was I would be joining in with the condemnation. That NatWest received a bailout is also irrelevant. They remain a commercial business and not a nationalised one.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Jul 23 9.38pm | |
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Originally posted by Mattconrov
With regards to Wisbech comments on the banks commercial decision on cancelling Nigel. Firstly "the controversial views" he holds. I would also add that nat west is 45 percent owned by the government for which coutts are part of. I think that's relevant. Having a bank account is not really a choice. What seems to have happened in society is a bait and switch. Get people reliant on Certain things and then take them away for being a non compliant person. You tube did the same thing. Yes there are other platforms. But once banned from you tube you are less relevant. Edited by Mattconrov (28 Jul 2023 1.15pm) 52% were “persuaded” to vote for Brexit in 2016 in the most stupid political mistake ever made in our country. Something Farage will go down in history as being partially responsible for. How many would vote the same way today? 20%? 30%? 40%? I bet no one would seriously anticipate any higher than 40%! Everyone, me included, wants illegal immigration curtailed. It’s not for commercial businesses to supply essential services to everyone unless so ordered by the government, who have to underwrite the risks involved. That particularity applies to social media companies, especially where there is a lot of competition and no one gets frozen out of speaking their mind. It’s up to each platform to determine its own standards and target its own audience, to achieve the maximum advertising revenue it can. They aren’t public utilities. They are profit making businesses. There are lots of bank accounts available but should it happen that any group of people are unable to secure even a basic service then government intervention could become necessary and make such provision mandatory, probably at a cost. We are though a long way from that point yet.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Jul 23 9.40pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The key point is that Farage holds views that the majority share. Do you seriously believe that the majority of your fellow citizens agree with Farage’s politics? Seriously? If so you need to get out more.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Jul 23 9.45pm | |
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Originally posted by Mattconrov
-------------------------------------------------------------- More importantly in my opinion; the people who disagree with Nigel and have the most influence, are the establishment. The people at coutts are on some level being directed. Because it makes absolutely no commercial business sense. See Bud light for more details. Lol I doubt that anyone in the “establishment” were involved. It looks to me like a deliberate attempt to reposition their image. One that backfired in spectacular fashion but whose motivation was pure, albeit not appreciated here.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Jul 23 9.47pm | |
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Originally posted by palace99
Clearly not as this has been front page news for over a week. This is a nothing story really and should never have been front page news. So true. Farage has been aided and abetted by the right-wing press.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Jul 23 9.50pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Absolutely. The media and business generally has decided to adopt Marxist ideas whether they realise it or not. They largely control the flow of ideas through news, advertising and fiction. Do you look under your bed for reds before you sleep? You see them everywhere. Is your real name McCarthy?
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Jul 23 9.54pm | |
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Originally posted by Mattconrov
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Edited by Mattconrov (28 Jul 2023 1.47pm) Edited by Mattconrov (28 Jul 2023 1.49pm) It’s not going to affect anyone else unless they are a PEP who could create image issues for a bank. You are swallowing the bs propaganda fed to you by Farage and spun into outrage by the press.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Jul 23 10.02pm | |
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Originally posted by NEILLO
Yes, Coutts changed - probably toeing the Woke line propagated by Alison Rose. And I can imagine that whoever instigated NF’s debanking thought that they would enhance their own reputation internally as a result . That you approve of their actions is irrelevant given how the City, the Government and the Regulator has reacted. And what has your last sentence got to do with anything ? As well as being irrelevant, it’s well wide of the mark as I’m a long standing “ client “. As such, my requirements of my bank is to effectively manage my assets and be competitive in terms of service. I don’t require them to make the decision that they have in this case. My guess is that if Coutts could turn the clock back now they would happily do so. Wisbech, I respect your views although I’m not in agreement with them. It’s good to see well articulated debate on here. The City react to negative news. The Government react to political threats. The Regulator reacts to Government instructions. I apologise for suggesting you could not be a client. That some wouldn’t approve was probably understood by the bank but disregarded as that will always be true and they didn’t expect it to become public in the way it did when they took the decision. Thanks for the compliment.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Jul 23 10.07pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Silencing people that have a different opinion by whichever means is sinister and very undesirable. For some reason, some on the left now find this acceptable. They seem to have forgotten a core value of a free society. Shame on them. They have learned nothing from history or from the wisdom of our forebears. If nothing else surely the last week has proved that Farage’s ability to speak freely has not been impaired in any way by this. If anything it’s been enhanced. Our forbears would be very proud of our current ability to ensure free expression whilst also giving voices to those who in their day were silenced.
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Hrolf The Ganger 28 Jul 23 10.08pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Do you seriously believe that the majority of your fellow citizens agree with Farage’s politics? Seriously? If so you need to get out more. I am pretty sure yes Wisbech. I'm also pretty sure that what people say in public is not necessarily what they really think. Because of the culture that you endorse, they are afraid to speak out.
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Hrolf The Ganger 28 Jul 23 10.20pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
If nothing else surely the last week has proved that Farage’s ability to speak freely has not been impaired in any way by this. If anything it’s been enhanced. Our forbears would be very proud of our current ability to ensure free expression whilst also giving voices to those who in their day were silenced. Don't be ridiculous. His price for speaking publicly is to have his bank account closed. You call that speaking freely? You have proved once and for all that you are of the kind that darkens our society, not Farage. Defending the behaviour of Coutts makes you an enemy of freedom.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Jul 23 10.21pm | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Where has he been hypocritical during the Coutts affair? Farage positions himself as a champion of the common man. He isn’t. He is a toff. A privately educated man who enjoyed a lucrative career in the city before becoming obsessed with our EU membership and turning to politics. He has repeatedly referred to “all the others” affected, without having any idea of either the numbers, or the reasons. However, many thousands of British citizens living in EU countries, had their UK bank accounts withdrawn as a direct consequence of Brexit. Something he was the primary architect of. Did he speak up for them back then? Does he mention them now? No. He is a hypocrite. Prior to Brexit he railed against the EU, and especially its Parliament whilst taking a big salary from the EU Parliament and now getting a pension from it, which is paid for from the settlement we had to agree to. Hypocrite. He also has 2 children who hold German passports.
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