I wasn't really asking for advice Stirlingsays. Just calling up his credentials, because we all know he hasn't got a clue about the nonsense he is reciting.

But at least we've proved that you don't either.

Surely just turning up is what everyone does. Although I am not sure that PalazioVecchio has full turned up to life yet. His posts are so musical geeza that I am inclined to believe he is a Peterhouse don running a sociology study.

I am decided by the idea that I am a sleeper. I just took a look and I was surprised to see that I first logged on the HoL 17 years ago, how time flies. Having settled in with a reassuringly on message post about Andy Johnson’s ability to find space inside the box I then lay in wait, a liberal cicada, looking for the optimum moment to post.

I think that although you claim that you like to be challenged the reality is that you fear it. There is a great deal of, ‘it’s my ball and if I can't win then no one can play', going on here. Perhaps you and Stirlingsays feel that it’s your right to dominate these posts?

An accusation that I am condescending is your latest complaint. I have to admit that sometimes the debate gets a little wearisome and there is an intimation to sarcasm. Beyond that, I see no point in going. Once you get rude what’s the point?

Perhaps you are wondering why I am here? In general, I look at the HoL to check on football stuff about once couple of days. I rarely post anything and almost never before have I looked at the politics threads. I was sure it would be feeble nonsense, and how right I was, (not condescending - just honest).

When I started looking at this thread, however, I was shocked at the level of misinformation and felt moved to contribute. The whole set-up is rather attractive because the fallacies of your arguments are so obvious it’s very easy to expose them.

You claim not to be a bully but it’s pretty clear that you are and Stirlingsays is too. You seek to dominate with your bombastic, bumptious preening but it just looks to be self-gratifying.

Personally, I am oblivious to it and at the same time fascinated by it. What made you like that? Poor parenting, poor education, the lack of or too much of something?

Have you tried therapy?

Can I just make something clear, because there are accusations of bullying going on here.

If someone feels bullied by me, can they please let me know and I won't post at them.

I suspect certain posters are creating false pictures on this. The want to limit what can be said on the forum.

Robust debate is one thing, trolling is one thing. However, I don't like the accusation that I've bullied someone when the situation can be sorted out so easily.

I know a poster on here who has straight out refused a request to stop posting at someone yet I've always made it clear I'd respect that request.....Yet I'm a bully apparently.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Sep 2021 10.06pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Look as I said I am happy to tolerate it, robust debate is why I am here. It's clear that the line between robust and people feeling browbeat is thin. So please let's all be careful.

I kind of respect the desire to get back onto the thread's subject matter.

I agree with your points essentially. Though the French will do nothing about it. Changing 'human rights' law to make deportations easier would work....but similar to what you say, there's no hope of that happening.

It would be nice if they could all be sent to Gary Lineker's gaff...

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Sep 2021 10.29pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I agree that stopping boats from being launched is near impossible. They will catch a few by pure luck but the criminal gangs are mobile and ruthless. They care nothing for the migrants, just for the money.

The idea that you restrict the ability to buy an inflatable boat in northern France night has some potential, although I expect the French have already looked at that. I am sure that the French would welcome some practical legal ideas for how to stop boats from leaving. It’s costing them a lot of money completely apart from the UK contribution.

As has been said it’s a very long coastline and it’s getting longer as some boats are being launched as far west as the Cotentin Peninsula. The 627 million that the UK is giving to France sounds like a lot, (I mean it’s nearly two red buses worth), but it is over two years. A large part of it is being spent on building migrant accommodation in Calais and other related projects.

Once the boats have been launched the French will not wish to intercept as this is likely to cause a capsize which then will likely lead to deaths. Once boats are in UK waters the law rightly requires them to be rescued.

No doubt Priti Patel is pressing for a photoshoot of herself, like Kate Winslet, on the prow of RN frigate shouting at some poor unfortunate people desperate to change their lives.