You are talking complete and utter nonsense.

hello pot this is Kettle

The so called HF are a passing fad,

The fanatics formed in 2005 so I wouldnt call 13 years a passing fad ? Maybe You'd call CPFC2010 a passing fad ??

whereas Marge and Bert are the life blood of the club,who turned up during the bad times ,and will still turn up when inevitably the bad times return.

The life blood of the club is the TV money like it or lump it gate receipts from any of us are not the main bread winner for any clubs in the prem any more, it's sky's money and merchandise that is the main bread winner, and for your info I've been going to football at Selhurst since I was 6 41 years ago. And in my opinion the HF create an atmosphere unparalleled through out my time at the club. The display at the FA Cup final was surley the best in the FA cups history.

If the HF believe they have such an influence over the team's performance then they have betrayed the Palace by disbanding,and if we are relegated this season,it will be partly down to them in that case.
What you said " in the pub the other night" means diddly.

I don't profess to know what the HF think, what I am giving you is my own personnel opinion, which is just as valid as yours. if we are relegated this season it will be because we don't have a goal scorer, which is criminal considering how long we have had to get one. That fault lies firmly with the board and people who run the club. However I do believe that the atmosphere does help the players, so yes in a certain type of warped context you could be right, and I have never said that the HF have behaved with nothing but the best intrest of the club, a lot of it smacks of spoilt brat type behaviour. However the undeniable fact is that the atmosphere is better with that without.

Furthermore what you say on a football website means diddly as well.

Marge and Bert have paid their dues and have every right to retain their seats,they won't flounce off if things aren't going well on the pitch.

Errrrm that's BS I've been going a long time as have you no doubt, and I can remember getting 7-8000 if we were lucky, so no I'm not having that one. And whilst they may have paid there dues it gives them no more right than anyone else in the ground who buys a ticket. They do not own the seat for which they pay. i've had the same one for about 6 years now and would move if it meant the atmosphere coming back.

There's more to supporting Palace through the generations than waving flags and banging drums.

Is there? Because from where I sit those fans in the HF have followed the club through thick and thin up and down the country for well over a decade. I thought as fans we were there to get behind the team and sing our hearts and souls out supporting the team or am I wrong ?

The harsh reality is that Marge and Bert are the club,they are the ones that support the Palace even when times are at their worst.

The harsh reality is that Marge and Bert are no more important to the club than the HF FACT. However in this case the HF offer more in the way of physical support lots more in fact. And as such should be rightly recognised for it.

All I have done is way up the pro's and con's of upsetting (for want of a better word) each group of fans, and they HF simply offer more to the club as fans. Now you might not like that FACT. but it is an undeniable one.

And Eagle man 13, I'm surprised at you, you know me try not to be so condescending, we clearly disagree but I'm allowed my opinion, as you are yours, making assumptions about me is making things a tad personnel. Lets not go there.

I'd say that's very much the case; it's what most normal people attend a football match for.