Not nothing.....If you read my post to you and Ray you will see that.

But they are misguided and misled yes. Progressive thinking with its victim culture and racial politics has convinced them of a half truth. It's easy to blame the problems of a community onto the 'other'. As your side is constantly saying about the right....but never apparently seeing the irony of yourselves.....It's the old story of, 'it's ok when we do it'.

If these NFL players were truly interested in reducing black deaths and improving their communities they wouldn't be blaming Police....Well, let my clarify...they wouldn't be highlighting Police as their main problem. They would be highlighting and tackling the cultural disasters within their communities like absent fathers, ghetto culture, anti educational attitudes.

We do have black people in the community doing this and it's also definitely true that some NFL players do invest back...which is good. But if they were all putting as much effort and publicity into this rather than virtue signalling against the Police....something might just get done.

Nothing will change as it is.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Sep 2017 8.26am)

Edited by hedgehog50 (29 Sep 2017 10.00am)

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

From 2016 BBC article: "Official data on the number of people killed by the police turns out to be remarkably unreliable.'We can't have an informed discussion, because we don't have data,' FBI Director James Comey said in the House of Representatives in October.'People have data about who went to a movie last weekend, or how many books were sold, or how many cases of the flu walked into an emergency room. And I cannot tell you how many people were shot by police in the United States last month, last year, or anything about the demographics. And that's a very bad place to be.' "

A bit like the South African police no longer keeping count of white farmers murdered there. I wonder if South African sportsmen will 'take the knee'?

Edited by hedgehog50 (29 Sep 2017 10.01am)

Between 1994 and March 2012, there had been 361,015 murders in all of South Africa and between 1990 and March 2012, there had been an estimated 1,544 murders on South African farms of which 208 of the victims were Black. The last government analysis of farm attack victims by race was conducted in 2001. In their report, the police’s Crime Information Analysis Centre revealed that of the 1,398 people attacked on farms, 61.6% were white, 33.3% were black, 4.4% were Asian and 0.7% were listed as “other”. Statistics of race are no longer collected.

[Good on Flower and Olonga by the way]

Edited by hedgehog50 (29 Sep 2017 10.23am)

This is politics in sport though which you disagree with?

Although that said I don't think you can compare this to the NFL protests.

Edited by PaddyMcPaddy (29 Sep 2017 10.36am)

From 2016 BBC article: "Official data on the number of people killed by the police turns out to be remarkably unreliable.'We can't have an informed discussion, because we don't have data,' FBI Director James Comey said in the House of Representatives in October.'People have data about who went to a movie last weekend, or how many books were sold, or how many cases of the flu walked into an emergency room. And I cannot tell you how many people were shot by police in the United States last month, last year, or anything about the demographics. And that's a very bad place to be.' "

A bit like the South African police no longer keeping count of white farmers murdered there. I wonder if South African sportsmen will 'take the knee'?

Edited by hedgehog50 (29 Sep 2017 10.01am)