You are here: Home > Message Board > News & Politics > General Election 2015 thread
November 24 2024 3.08pm

This page is no longer updated, and is the old forum. For new topics visit the New HOL forum.

General Election 2015 thread

Previous Topic | Next Topic


Page 32 of 67 < 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 >

  

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 04 May 15 11.08pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Quote lankygit at 04 May 2015 10.23pm

Quote Willo at 04 May 2015 10.14pm

Quote lankygit at 04 May 2015 10.10pm

Quote Willo at 04 May 2015 10.01pm

Quote Kermit8 at 04 May 2015 9.30pm


Turning your hand to soothsaying now, I see. A font of future knowledge.

The "Soothsdayer" with his "Font of future" knowledge would probably agree that if the SNP help Labour into power, our economic recovery would grind to a halt.

The SNP would hold Ed Miliband to ransom every time there is a vote - demanding more borrowing and higher taxes to pay for more welfare.


On every vote, the SNP will make demands - for more borrowing, more debt and more taxes.

Ed Miliband will be kept on life support by the SNP for an entire parliament and hardworking families across Britain will pay for it.

You really do need to keep up Willo, though I concede you may have missed this whilst out canvassing.

[Link]

edit. spelling mistake


Edited by lankygit (04 May 2015 10.28pm)

NO I never missed it at all.
I stand by my statement regarding Labour and the SNP.Labour have admitted in the last few days that they would be willing to work with the SNP on a vote-by-vote basis.


Edited by Willo (04 May 2015 11.13pm)

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
Pussay Patrol Flag 04 May 15 11.16pm

Quote lankygit at 04 May 2015 10.08pm

Quote Pussay Patrol at 04 May 2015 9.47pm

I just saw the awful Labour PP Broadcast by Steve Coogan. I thought he was better than that.

Is Millibland that unpopular they have to get celebs in?


Funny old world Puss. I saw it and thought it was good, you saw it and thought it awful. One mans poison........eh?

Yeah but come on, he just trotted out the usual socialist claptrap like the 'Tories giving tax breaks to their rich friends'

Why do these lefties think reaching out to the working class means immature politics?

 


Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Quote this post in a reply
lankygit Flag Lincoln 04 May 15 11.27pm Send a Private Message to lankygit Add lankygit as a friend

Quote matt_himself at 04 May 2015 10.54pm

Quote lankygit at 04 May 2015 10.41pm

Ed says not,matt.

[Link]


Not what Ed was saying as recently as 5 days ago:

[Link]


I understand where you are coming from matt, but "dialogue with" and "vote by vote basis" does not equate to anything like a deal or a coalition.
He does reiterate "that`s not going to happen" too.

Let`s be honest here. It doesn`t look as though any party is going to emerge with a clear majority on friday morning.
Given that scenario, I`d think it odd if certain parties didn`t enter into dialogue with one another.
I`d expect the Tories to have "dialogue with" UKIP for example.
That doesn`t mean I`d take it for granted that they will coalesce.

 


Is this a five minute argument, or the full half hour? [Link]

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 04 May 15 11.28pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Quote Pussay Patrol at 04 May 2015 11.16pm

Yeah but come on, he just trotted out the usual socialist claptrap like the 'Tories giving tax breaks to their rich friends'

There have been tax breaks for all.

When the current government came into office, you could only earn £6,475 tax-free. You can now earn £10,600 before you pay any income tax.

That's a tax cut for over 26 million people - and it means that over 3 million people have been taken out of income tax altogether.


 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 04 May 15 11.39pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Quote lankygit at 04 May 2015 11.27pm

I understand where you are coming from matt, but "dialogue with" and "vote by vote basis" does not equate to anything like a deal or a coalition.
He does reiterate "that`s not going to happen" too.

I'm not saying they will enter into a formal 'Coalition'.

The SNP could still prop up a Labour government on a vote-by-vote basis which is just what Sturgeon wants.Miliband could ask the SNP to vote with him on a 'Queens Speech' or Bill which it would in return for more money for Scotland.The SNP would turn Miliband into it's play thing. So the SNP would hold huge sway - a party that nobody can vote for in England, a party of a country with only 5% of the electorate and a party who wishes to break up the UK - and led by someone who isn't an MP and accordingly does not sit in Westminster.


Edited by Willo (04 May 2015 11.39pm)

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
lankygit Flag Lincoln 04 May 15 11.45pm Send a Private Message to lankygit Add lankygit as a friend

Quote Willo at 04 May 2015 11.28pm

Quote Pussay Patrol at 04 May 2015 11.16pm

Yeah but come on, he just trotted out the usual socialist claptrap like the 'Tories giving tax breaks to their rich friends'

There have been tax breaks for all.

When the current government came into office, you could only earn £6,475 tax-free. You can now earn £10,600 before you pay any income tax.

That's a tax cut for over 26 million people - and it means that over 3 million people have been taken out of income tax altogether.


You are indeed correct there Willo, and despite the fact I will vote Labour on thursday it does not follow that I regard everything the Tories have done as evil. Also I doubt that I will be completely at ease with everything Labour might pass should they take power.
I shall , however, sleep very easily in the knowledge that I chose the former over the latter.

 


Is this a five minute argument, or the full half hour? [Link]

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 04 May 15 11.54pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

IF Miliband/SNP get the 'Keys' to 'NO 10' I will lose ALL faith in the British electorate given Labour's ghastly record last term, their plans for the future, their current leadership and the economic recovery under the present Government.Absolutely awful and terrible prospect.

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
lankygit Flag Lincoln 04 May 15 11.55pm Send a Private Message to lankygit Add lankygit as a friend

Quote Willo at 04 May 2015 11.39pm

Quote lankygit at 04 May 2015 11.27pm

I understand where you are coming from matt, but "dialogue with" and "vote by vote basis" does not equate to anything like a deal or a coalition.
He does reiterate "that`s not going to happen" too.

I'm not saying they will enter into a formal 'Coalition'.

The SNP could still prop up a Labour government on a vote-by-vote basis which is just what Sturgeon wants.Miliband could ask the SNP to vote with him on a 'Queens Speech' or Bill which it would in return for more money for Scotland.The SNP would turn Miliband into it's play thing. So the SNP would hold huge sway - a party that nobody can vote for in England, a party of a country with only 5% of the electorate and a party who wishes to break up the UK - and led by someone who isn't an MP and accordingly does not sit in Westminster.


Edited by Willo (04 May 2015 11.39pm)


Well,the LibDems didn`t exactly turn Dave into their plaything in what WAS a formal coalition did they? Maybe you think they did. Yet you think Ed will become a plaything in a vote by vote thing. Interesting.
Also, I`m not sure you understand the meaning of "will not enter into deals with" when you go on to say "Milliband could ask the SNP to... in return for"

Edited by lankygit (05 May 2015 12.05am)

 


Is this a five minute argument, or the full half hour? [Link]

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 05 May 15 12.14am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Quote lankygit at 04 May 2015 11.55pm

Quote Willo at 04 May 2015 11.39pm

Quote lankygit at 04 May 2015 11.27pm

I understand where you are coming from matt, but "dialogue with" and "vote by vote basis" does not equate to anything like a deal or a coalition.
He does reiterate "that`s not going to happen" too.

I'm not saying they will enter into a formal 'Coalition'.

The SNP could still prop up a Labour government on a vote-by-vote basis which is just what Sturgeon wants.Miliband could ask the SNP to vote with him on a 'Queens Speech' or Bill which it would in return for more money for Scotland.The SNP would turn Miliband into it's play thing. So the SNP would hold huge sway - a party that nobody can vote for in England, a party of a country with only 5% of the electorate and a party who wishes to break up the UK - and led by someone who isn't an MP and accordingly does not sit in Westminster.


Edited by Willo (04 May 2015 11.39pm)


Well,the LibDems didn`t exactly turn Dave into their plaything in what WAS a formal coalition did they? Maybe you think they did. Yet you think Ed will become a plaything in a vote by vote thing. Interesting.

At the end of the day the SNP want more debt, more borrowing, more taxes etc etc, indeed Sturgeon has said "With SNP influence we can force Labour down that path"

Would Miliband who would rely on the SNP to keep him in power stand up to Sturgeon - Of course NOT. Indeed Sturgeon has said that Miliband is "Slightly weak " !
The 'Fixed-Term Parliaments Act' states that two-thirds of MPs have to vote to trigger an early election. So the SNP could vote down legislation without it being seen as a vote of no-confidence turning the hapless Miliband into it's play thing.

I have no doubt that the SNP would be calling the shots, an SNP who wants to break up the UK.It will be Miliband propped up by the SNP not governing on behalf of the whole country.

Anyway off my "Soapbox" now as it's time to go to sleep. I have a long day coming up on the 'Campaign Trail' ! Goodnight to one and all !


Edited by Willo (05 May 2015 12.16am)

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
Anerley-Fried-Eagle Flag Fake Beckenham actually 05 May 15 4.24am Send a Private Message to Anerley-Fried-Eagle Add Anerley-Fried-Eagle as a friend

Quote Willo at 04 May 2015 11.28pm

Quote Pussay Patrol at 04 May 2015 11.16pm

Yeah but come on, he just trotted out the usual socialist claptrap like the 'Tories giving tax breaks to their rich friends'

There have been tax breaks for all.

When the current government came into office, you could only earn £6,475 tax-free. You can now earn £10,600 before you pay any income tax.

That's a tax cut for over 26 million people - and it means that over 3 million people have been taken out of income tax altogether.



Which would obviously explain the rise in zero hour contracts and use of food banks.

So compassionate the tories.

 


RIP ENGLISH FOOTBALL 24/6/14

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
matt_himself Flag Matataland 05 May 15 5.14am Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Quote lankygit at 04 May 2015 11.27pm

Quote matt_himself at 04 May 2015 10.54pm

Quote lankygit at 04 May 2015 10.41pm

Ed says not,matt.

[Link]


Not what Ed was saying as recently as 5 days ago:

[Link]


I understand where you are coming from matt, but "dialogue with" and "vote by vote basis" does not equate to anything like a deal or a coalition.
He does reiterate "that`s not going to happen" too.

Let`s be honest here. It doesn`t look as though any party is going to emerge with a clear majority on friday morning.
Given that scenario, I`d think it odd if certain parties didn`t enter into dialogue with one another.
I`d expect the Tories to have "dialogue with" UKIP for example.
That doesn`t mean I`d take it for granted that they will coalesce.

To me it is smoke and mirrors.

A coalition but by name, therefore a dishonest act by Labour saying they will not do a deal with the SNP and then doing one.

SNP can't govern. They have proved his in Scotland where they are becoming a Caledonian Zanu-PF. Theie economic and education policies are shocking. Labour will sell us down the river if they do a deal with them.

 


"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
Kermit8 Flag Hevon 05 May 15 7.36am Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Quote matt_himself at 04 May 2015 10.29pm

Quote Kermit8 at 04 May 2015 9.30pm

Quote matt_himself at 04 May 2015 8.38pm

Quote lankygit at 04 May 2015 8.28pm

Quote matt_himself at 04 May 2015 8.24pm

Quote lankygit at 04 May 2015 7.56pm

Quote matt_himself at 04 May 2015 7.15pm

The fact that the Tories are bit too left wing for my liking, and have a bunch of spineless t***s running the show, pales into insignificance compared to this and actual makes me think that voting Tory is a good idea:

[Link]

I respect Russ, and that just reinforces my decision to vote Labour.

He is a hypocrite. He is against the system yet milks it for his own profit. Plus he doesn't practice what he preaches.

For example, he rails against the house market and unscrupulous landlords making money out of the desperate. That is a worthy cause to support. However, he lives in a house he rents for several thousands pounds a month from a shell company based in a tax haven, thus he supports the cycle of the housing bubble.

Lest we not forget that as recently as a month ago he was urging people not vote as he believed there is no point.

If you like tokenism and hypocrisy, then respect the man. If you want something deeper, read some Freidrich Hayek and make your own mind up on economics and society - dont be told what to think by a champagne revolutionary.


Edited by matt_himself (04 May 2015 8.25pm)

I have made my own mind up matt. You will notice I wrote "reinforces my decision".

Believe me, you will regret this decision if Labour get in.

However, it is your freedom to choose who you vote for.


Turning your hand to soothsaying now, I see. A font of future knowledge.

That's it everyone - Matthew the Wise has spoken. Don't. Vote. Labour.

Labour should, by rights, walk this election. There is an unpopular Tory government in power, the Lib Dems are confused & not yet forgiven by their core vote for the coalition and the fringe parties have yet to make the impact they desire.

However, due to their incompetence, Labour will see themselves wiped out in Scotland, people do not think their sums add up and in marginals will vote Conservative.

The Labour leadership is rudderless and reactionary. I can't think of one of them that is a statesman in the making. Chukka Umunna used to look like he could be but he is reverting to '70s politics, like the rest of them are, to try and retain their core vote. They simply don't get it.

The fact that they are claiming to be progressive, when in fact their manifesto and intent is based upon a flawed programme of tax and spend, is laughable.

The worst part, however, is that they are likely to get in to bed with SNP. They will be become a puppet for a 'government' that has the largest deficit in the UK, has the lowest educational standards in the country, a reactionary defence policy and an economic plan based on a falsehood of an inflated oil price.

Tell me with an honest heart that Labour are the economic, social and intellectual saviours of this country. Tell me that you believe that they are talented and worthy of leadership. Tell me that you think they have the resources, are tactile, unified and can resonate with all in his country to create a new Jersulem. Tell me even that you think they are best to shepherd the economy. Tell me they are the best to run the NHS after the debacle of PFI, trusts and botched introduction of market forces into the NHS (I agree that the private sector has a role to play in e NHS but Labours approach was neither something or nothing) during their last government. Tell me that and I know you are lying to yourself and me.

This Labour leadership simply cannot be allowed to run this country. They are failures before a single vote has been cast.


All that and yet i still read it as a helluvalot less damaging than a myopic Little Englander party getting their wish and us out of the EU and the very likely huge economic cost of that fatal decision.

You fear Labour yet welcome UKIP within which the cons far outweigh the pros economically. Your heart is ruling your head like quite a few others on this issue it appears. Thankfully, I trust 90% of the voters to be thinking with a bit more clarity on Thursday and with less of an emotive agenda.

 


Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]


Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply

  

Page 32 of 67 < 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 >

Previous Topic | Next Topic

You are here: Home > Message Board > News & Politics > General Election 2015 thread