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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 04 May 15 11.08pm | |
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The "Soothsdayer" with his "Font of future" knowledge would probably agree that if the SNP help Labour into power, our economic recovery would grind to a halt. The SNP would hold Ed Miliband to ransom every time there is a vote - demanding more borrowing and higher taxes to pay for more welfare.
On every vote, the SNP will make demands - for more borrowing, more debt and more taxes. Ed Miliband will be kept on life support by the SNP for an entire parliament and hardworking families across Britain will pay for it. You really do need to keep up Willo, though I concede you may have missed this whilst out canvassing. edit. spelling mistake
NO I never missed it at all.
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I just saw the awful Labour PP Broadcast by Steve Coogan. I thought he was better than that. Is Millibland that unpopular they have to get celebs in?
Yeah but come on, he just trotted out the usual socialist claptrap like the 'Tories giving tax breaks to their rich friends' Why do these lefties think reaching out to the working class means immature politics?
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lankygit Lincoln 04 May 15 11.27pm | |
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Ed says not,matt.
Let`s be honest here. It doesn`t look as though any party is going to emerge with a clear majority on friday morning.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 04 May 15 11.28pm | |
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Quote Pussay Patrol at 04 May 2015 11.16pm
Yeah but come on, he just trotted out the usual socialist claptrap like the 'Tories giving tax breaks to their rich friends' There have been tax breaks for all. When the current government came into office, you could only earn £6,475 tax-free. You can now earn £10,600 before you pay any income tax. That's a tax cut for over 26 million people - and it means that over 3 million people have been taken out of income tax altogether.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 04 May 15 11.39pm | |
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Quote lankygit at 04 May 2015 11.27pm
I understand where you are coming from matt, but "dialogue with" and "vote by vote basis" does not equate to anything like a deal or a coalition. I'm not saying they will enter into a formal 'Coalition'. The SNP could still prop up a Labour government on a vote-by-vote basis which is just what Sturgeon wants.Miliband could ask the SNP to vote with him on a 'Queens Speech' or Bill which it would in return for more money for Scotland.The SNP would turn Miliband into it's play thing. So the SNP would hold huge sway - a party that nobody can vote for in England, a party of a country with only 5% of the electorate and a party who wishes to break up the UK - and led by someone who isn't an MP and accordingly does not sit in Westminster.
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lankygit Lincoln 04 May 15 11.45pm | |
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Yeah but come on, he just trotted out the usual socialist claptrap like the 'Tories giving tax breaks to their rich friends' There have been tax breaks for all. When the current government came into office, you could only earn £6,475 tax-free. You can now earn £10,600 before you pay any income tax. That's a tax cut for over 26 million people - and it means that over 3 million people have been taken out of income tax altogether. You are indeed correct there Willo, and despite the fact I will vote Labour on thursday it does not follow that I regard everything the Tories have done as evil. Also I doubt that I will be completely at ease with everything Labour might pass should they take power.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 04 May 15 11.54pm | |
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IF Miliband/SNP get the 'Keys' to 'NO 10' I will lose ALL faith in the British electorate given Labour's ghastly record last term, their plans for the future, their current leadership and the economic recovery under the present Government.Absolutely awful and terrible prospect.
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lankygit Lincoln 04 May 15 11.55pm | |
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I understand where you are coming from matt, but "dialogue with" and "vote by vote basis" does not equate to anything like a deal or a coalition. I'm not saying they will enter into a formal 'Coalition'. The SNP could still prop up a Labour government on a vote-by-vote basis which is just what Sturgeon wants.Miliband could ask the SNP to vote with him on a 'Queens Speech' or Bill which it would in return for more money for Scotland.The SNP would turn Miliband into it's play thing. So the SNP would hold huge sway - a party that nobody can vote for in England, a party of a country with only 5% of the electorate and a party who wishes to break up the UK - and led by someone who isn't an MP and accordingly does not sit in Westminster.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 05 May 15 12.14am | |
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I understand where you are coming from matt, but "dialogue with" and "vote by vote basis" does not equate to anything like a deal or a coalition. I'm not saying they will enter into a formal 'Coalition'. The SNP could still prop up a Labour government on a vote-by-vote basis which is just what Sturgeon wants.Miliband could ask the SNP to vote with him on a 'Queens Speech' or Bill which it would in return for more money for Scotland.The SNP would turn Miliband into it's play thing. So the SNP would hold huge sway - a party that nobody can vote for in England, a party of a country with only 5% of the electorate and a party who wishes to break up the UK - and led by someone who isn't an MP and accordingly does not sit in Westminster.
At the end of the day the SNP want more debt, more borrowing, more taxes etc etc, indeed Sturgeon has said "With SNP influence we can force Labour down that path" Would Miliband who would rely on the SNP to keep him in power stand up to Sturgeon - Of course NOT. Indeed Sturgeon has said that Miliband is "Slightly weak " ! I have no doubt that the SNP would be calling the shots, an SNP who wants to break up the UK.It will be Miliband propped up by the SNP not governing on behalf of the whole country. Anyway off my "Soapbox" now as it's time to go to sleep. I have a long day coming up on the 'Campaign Trail' ! Goodnight to one and all !
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Anerley-Fried-Eagle Fake Beckenham actually 05 May 15 4.24am | |
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Yeah but come on, he just trotted out the usual socialist claptrap like the 'Tories giving tax breaks to their rich friends' There have been tax breaks for all. When the current government came into office, you could only earn £6,475 tax-free. You can now earn £10,600 before you pay any income tax. That's a tax cut for over 26 million people - and it means that over 3 million people have been taken out of income tax altogether.
So compassionate the tories.
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matt_himself Matataland 05 May 15 5.14am | |
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Ed says not,matt.
Let`s be honest here. It doesn`t look as though any party is going to emerge with a clear majority on friday morning. To me it is smoke and mirrors. A coalition but by name, therefore a dishonest act by Labour saying they will not do a deal with the SNP and then doing one. SNP can't govern. They have proved his in Scotland where they are becoming a Caledonian Zanu-PF. Theie economic and education policies are shocking. Labour will sell us down the river if they do a deal with them.
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Kermit8 Hevon 05 May 15 7.36am | |
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The fact that the Tories are bit too left wing for my liking, and have a bunch of spineless t***s running the show, pales into insignificance compared to this and actual makes me think that voting Tory is a good idea: I respect Russ, and that just reinforces my decision to vote Labour. He is a hypocrite. He is against the system yet milks it for his own profit. Plus he doesn't practice what he preaches. For example, he rails against the house market and unscrupulous landlords making money out of the desperate. That is a worthy cause to support. However, he lives in a house he rents for several thousands pounds a month from a shell company based in a tax haven, thus he supports the cycle of the housing bubble. Lest we not forget that as recently as a month ago he was urging people not vote as he believed there is no point. If you like tokenism and hypocrisy, then respect the man. If you want something deeper, read some Freidrich Hayek and make your own mind up on economics and society - dont be told what to think by a champagne revolutionary.
I have made my own mind up matt. You will notice I wrote "reinforces my decision". Believe me, you will regret this decision if Labour get in. However, it is your freedom to choose who you vote for.
That's it everyone - Matthew the Wise has spoken. Don't. Vote. Labour. Labour should, by rights, walk this election. There is an unpopular Tory government in power, the Lib Dems are confused & not yet forgiven by their core vote for the coalition and the fringe parties have yet to make the impact they desire. However, due to their incompetence, Labour will see themselves wiped out in Scotland, people do not think their sums add up and in marginals will vote Conservative. The Labour leadership is rudderless and reactionary. I can't think of one of them that is a statesman in the making. Chukka Umunna used to look like he could be but he is reverting to '70s politics, like the rest of them are, to try and retain their core vote. They simply don't get it. The fact that they are claiming to be progressive, when in fact their manifesto and intent is based upon a flawed programme of tax and spend, is laughable. The worst part, however, is that they are likely to get in to bed with SNP. They will be become a puppet for a 'government' that has the largest deficit in the UK, has the lowest educational standards in the country, a reactionary defence policy and an economic plan based on a falsehood of an inflated oil price. Tell me with an honest heart that Labour are the economic, social and intellectual saviours of this country. Tell me that you believe that they are talented and worthy of leadership. Tell me that you think they have the resources, are tactile, unified and can resonate with all in his country to create a new Jersulem. Tell me even that you think they are best to shepherd the economy. Tell me they are the best to run the NHS after the debacle of PFI, trusts and botched introduction of market forces into the NHS (I agree that the private sector has a role to play in e NHS but Labours approach was neither something or nothing) during their last government. Tell me that and I know you are lying to yourself and me. This Labour leadership simply cannot be allowed to run this country. They are failures before a single vote has been cast.
You fear Labour yet welcome UKIP within which the cons far outweigh the pros economically. Your heart is ruling your head like quite a few others on this issue it appears. Thankfully, I trust 90% of the voters to be thinking with a bit more clarity on Thursday and with less of an emotive agenda.
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