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You've got to hand it to him. I mean, he's masterfully constructed this image of himself as a champion of the people. Whilst the majority of adults see him for what he is, he has a strong base of popularity among many naive, young people and he's exploiting it to great effect. Regardless of the whole 'Champagne Socialist' tag that's rightly been pinned onto him, he continues to build his profile through promoting some tenuous connection he has with the working man and disillusioned youth. Anyone watching QT last night can't have missed his syrupy use of the term 'mate', not to mention the clasping of hands together as if in prayer which surely communicates his sincerity. He addresses ills in the Westminster establishment recklessly but sensationally (because that sells books), advises all young people to boycott elections (which would lead to minority parties he purports to detest gaining the ascendancy), then laments the lack of a clear choice between the parties (yet, in the next breath, he's slating the one party promoting an obvious deviation from the political norm in UKIP). But his cleverness lies in his ability to critique the establishment and then, when picked up on his suggestions or challenged on matters of substance, he stands back and protests that he's 'not a politician'. Or at least I'd like to think he's clever, because the only other conclusion is that some people are incredibly thick. Blimey and I thought I was cynical! I'm just not sure people, Brand included, are that calculating. If Brand has masterfully got youth opinion to where he wants it, what does he get out of it? I think he's incredibky simplistic and his tired anti-elite rhetoric has nothing to offer, but I think he probably does genuinely believe it and at least he bothers to debate. He could just live the life of riley. You really think that the revenue he creams off the whole issue is just a side issue? You don't see his book entitled 'Revolution' as exploiting the situation. I respect your views and I don't wish to be a cynic but I find the idea that he's genuinely concerned and right to express his far-fetched suggestions hard to swallow. Edited by SwalecliffeEagle (13 Dec 2014 3.18pm)
But he's probably less of a hypocrite than, say, Tony Blair, who spent most of the time as prime minister secretly moaning to people about not being as rich as the super-wealth people he got to hang out with. And maybe it's all a clever act to make money but watching him on QT made me think he does genuinely believe the stuff he goes on about. And while he's no mother theresa, he's certainly no Simon Cowell either. By the way, I thought your point about criticising westminster and then standing back when it comes to the hard questions was spot on. He had a go at Creagh and Mordaunt - ''but you're in parliament!!!" - as if they have the power to decide anything! Not even cabinet ministers get to decide stuff nowadays, let alone opposition mps. But who isn't guilty of that?
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TUX  redhill 13 Dec 14 5.41pm |
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I think 'Captain' is a few promotions too many.
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Quote TUX at 13 Dec 2014 5.41pm
I think 'Captain' is a few promotions too many. You and Sanitycheck should get a room : ))
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| TUX redhill 13 Dec 14 6.48pm |
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Quote Johnny Eagles at 13 Dec 2014 5.41pm
Quote SwalecliffeEagle at 13 Dec 2014 3.17pm
Quote Johnny Eagles at 13 Dec 2014 12.13pm
H Quote SwalecliffeEagle at 13 Dec 2014 7.53am
You've got to hand it to him. I mean, he's masterfully constructed this image of himself as a champion of the people. Whilst the majority of adults see him for what he is, he has a strong base of popularity among many naive, young people and he's exploiting it to great effect. Regardless of the whole 'Champagne Socialist' tag that's rightly been pinned onto him, he continues to build his profile through promoting some tenuous connection he has with the working man and disillusioned youth. Anyone watching QT last night can't have missed his syrupy use of the term 'mate', not to mention the clasping of hands together as if in prayer which surely communicates his sincerity. He addresses ills in the Westminster establishment recklessly but sensationally (because that sells books), advises all young people to boycott elections (which would lead to minority parties he purports to detest gaining the ascendancy), then laments the lack of a clear choice between the parties (yet, in the next breath, he's slating the one party promoting an obvious deviation from the political norm in UKIP). But his cleverness lies in his ability to critique the establishment and then, when picked up on his suggestions or challenged on matters of substance, he stands back and protests that he's 'not a politician'. Or at least I'd like to think he's clever, because the only other conclusion is that some people are incredibly thick. Blimey and I thought I was cynical! I'm just not sure people, Brand included, are that calculating. If Brand has masterfully got youth opinion to where he wants it, what does he get out of it? I think he's incredibky simplistic and his tired anti-elite rhetoric has nothing to offer, but I think he probably does genuinely believe it and at least he bothers to debate. He could just live the life of riley. You really think that the revenue he creams off the whole issue is just a side issue? You don't see his book entitled 'Revolution' as exploiting the situation. I respect your views and I don't wish to be a cynic but I find the idea that he's genuinely concerned and right to express his far-fetched suggestions hard to swallow. Edited by SwalecliffeEagle (13 Dec 2014 3.18pm)
But he's probably less of a hypocrite than, say, Tony Blair, who spent most of the time as prime minister secretly moaning to people about not being as rich as the super-wealth people he got to hang out with. And maybe it's all a clever act to make money but watching him on QT made me think he does genuinely believe the stuff he goes on about. And while he's no mother theresa, he's certainly no Simon Cowell either. By the way, I thought your point about criticising westminster and then standing back when it comes to the hard questions was spot on. He had a go at Creagh and Mordaunt - ''but you're in parliament!!!" - as if they have the power to decide anything! Not even cabinet ministers get to decide stuff nowadays, let alone opposition mps. But who isn't guilty of that? I agree tbh. Each to their own.
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| TUX redhill 13 Dec 14 6.54pm |
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Quote OldFella at 13 Dec 2014 6.05pm
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I think 'Captain' is a few promotions too many. You and Sanitycheck should get a room : )) I'd love to offer the same advice but I'm guessing finding you a friend would be too tall an order? It's possibly too late, but maybe Santa can help
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| sanitycheck 13 Dec 14 7.07pm |
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Quote TUX at 13 Dec 2014 6.48pm
Quote Johnny Eagles at 13 Dec 2014 5.41pm
Quote SwalecliffeEagle at 13 Dec 2014 3.17pm
Quote Johnny Eagles at 13 Dec 2014 12.13pm
H Quote SwalecliffeEagle at 13 Dec 2014 7.53am
You've got to hand it to him. I mean, he's masterfully constructed this image of himself as a champion of the people. Whilst the majority of adults see him for what he is, he has a strong base of popularity among many naive, young people and he's exploiting it to great effect. Regardless of the whole 'Champagne Socialist' tag that's rightly been pinned onto him, he continues to build his profile through promoting some tenuous connection he has with the working man and disillusioned youth. Anyone watching QT last night can't have missed his syrupy use of the term 'mate', not to mention the clasping of hands together as if in prayer which surely communicates his sincerity. He addresses ills in the Westminster establishment recklessly but sensationally (because that sells books), advises all young people to boycott elections (which would lead to minority parties he purports to detest gaining the ascendancy), then laments the lack of a clear choice between the parties (yet, in the next breath, he's slating the one party promoting an obvious deviation from the political norm in UKIP). But his cleverness lies in his ability to critique the establishment and then, when picked up on his suggestions or challenged on matters of substance, he stands back and protests that he's 'not a politician'. Or at least I'd like to think he's clever, because the only other conclusion is that some people are incredibly thick. Blimey and I thought I was cynical! I'm just not sure people, Brand included, are that calculating. If Brand has masterfully got youth opinion to where he wants it, what does he get out of it? I think he's incredibky simplistic and his tired anti-elite rhetoric has nothing to offer, but I think he probably does genuinely believe it and at least he bothers to debate. He could just live the life of riley. You really think that the revenue he creams off the whole issue is just a side issue? You don't see his book entitled 'Revolution' as exploiting the situation. I respect your views and I don't wish to be a cynic but I find the idea that he's genuinely concerned and right to express his far-fetched suggestions hard to swallow. Edited by SwalecliffeEagle (13 Dec 2014 3.18pm)
But he's probably less of a hypocrite than, say, Tony Blair, who spent most of the time as prime minister secretly moaning to people about not being as rich as the super-wealth people he got to hang out with. And maybe it's all a clever act to make money but watching him on QT made me think he does genuinely believe the stuff he goes on about. And while he's no mother theresa, he's certainly no Simon Cowell either. By the way, I thought your point about criticising westminster and then standing back when it comes to the hard questions was spot on. He had a go at Creagh and Mordaunt - ''but you're in parliament!!!" - as if they have the power to decide anything! Not even cabinet ministers get to decide stuff nowadays, let alone opposition mps. But who isn't guilty of that? I agree tbh. Each to their own.
When the front page of every trashy newspaper states 'Brand is a Nobhead' as the most important story of the moment it's little wonder people end up being preoccupied with that thought too. As you say though, it acts to get people from talking about the actual concerns he's raising and to undermine them by proxy. Rather clever, as in actually clever, not the kind of "I'm Columbo, Brand's been found out" clever that some are patting themselves on the back about here. Edited by sanitycheck (13 Dec 2014 7.11pm)
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Dougiecito  In a dreamworld 13 Dec 14 8.51pm |
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Russell Brand. Two words associated with cattle and you lot are grilling him!
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Jimenez  SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 13 Dec 14 9.08pm |
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Oh by the way Tux bud, whilst waiting on my Roast potatoes the other night you happened to say in an earlier post that I was obsessed with rusty rockets. So I did a quick count through of this thread ( sad I know but I like crispy roast spuds) and for the record you've posted approx 40 times ME about 10. Just Saying..
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| OldFella London 13 Dec 14 9.13pm |
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Quote TUX at 13 Dec 2014 6.54pm
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Quote TUX at 13 Dec 2014 5.41pm
I think 'Captain' is a few promotions too many. You and Sanitycheck should get a room : )) I'd love to offer the same advice but I'm guessing finding you a friend would be too tall an order? It's possibly too late, but maybe Santa can help Don't give up your day job ; ))
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| sanitycheck 13 Dec 14 10.55pm |
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Quote OldFella at 13 Dec 2014 9.13pm
Quote TUX at 13 Dec 2014 6.54pm
Quote OldFella at 13 Dec 2014 6.05pm
Quote TUX at 13 Dec 2014 5.41pm
I think 'Captain' is a few promotions too many. You and Sanitycheck should get a room : )) I'd love to offer the same advice but I'm guessing finding you a friend would be too tall an order? It's possibly too late, but maybe Santa can help Don't give up your day job ; ))
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| OldFella London 13 Dec 14 11.16pm |
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Quote sanitycheck at 13 Dec 2014 10.55pm
Quote OldFella at 13 Dec 2014 9.13pm
Quote TUX at 13 Dec 2014 6.54pm
Quote OldFella at 13 Dec 2014 6.05pm
Quote TUX at 13 Dec 2014 5.41pm
I think 'Captain' is a few promotions too many. You and Sanitycheck should get a room : )) I'd love to offer the same advice but I'm guessing finding you a friend would be too tall an order? It's possibly too late, but maybe Santa can help Don't give up your day job ; ))
Well you really couldn't be more wrong about that assumption!! No matter, you, Tux and Russell can enjoy your LaLa land together.
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| sanitycheck 14 Dec 14 12.33am |
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Quote OldFella at 13 Dec 2014 11.16pm
Quote sanitycheck at 13 Dec 2014 10.55pm
Quote OldFella at 13 Dec 2014 9.13pm
Quote TUX at 13 Dec 2014 6.54pm
Quote OldFella at 13 Dec 2014 6.05pm
Quote TUX at 13 Dec 2014 5.41pm
I think 'Captain' is a few promotions too many. You and Sanitycheck should get a room : )) I'd love to offer the same advice but I'm guessing finding you a friend would be too tall an order? It's possibly too late, but maybe Santa can help Don't give up your day job ; ))
Well you really couldn't be more wrong about that assumption!! No matter, you, Tux and Russell can enjoy your LaLa land together. Okay, thanks. Moving on.
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