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DanH SW2 30 Mar 21 11.00am
And it's these attitudes which is why there is such a problem. Not people calling people horrible names. By deeming someone not to be English you're making an intrinsic suggestion that they have fewer rights than you in this country. Less right to a job, less right to government support, healthcare etc. etc. and in essence are a second class citizen. It is those attitudes which are extremely damaging and the cause of such structural issues rather than the name calling.
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DanH

SW2 30 Mar 21 11.00am

And it's these attitudes which is why there is such a problem. Not people calling people horrible names.

By deeming someone not to be English you're making an intrinsic suggestion that they have fewer rights than you in this country. Less right to a job, less right to government support, healthcare etc. etc. and in essence are a second class citizen.

It is those attitudes which are extremely damaging and the cause of such structural issues rather than the name calling.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 30 Mar 21 11.08am
Originally posted by DanH And it's these attitudes which is why there is such a problem. Not people calling people horrible names. By deeming someone not to be English you're making an intrinsic suggestion that they have fewer rights than you in this country. Less right to a job, less right to government support, healthcare etc. etc. and in essence are a second class citizen. It is those attitudes which are extremely damaging and the cause of such structural issues rather than the name calling. Rubbish. You can be seen as, registered as, accepted as, welcomed as, anything as, British. Again, someone clearly west European will never be Japanese or Chinese or Nigerian or Ethiopian, and nobody will try to claim they are. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 30 Mar 21 11.08am

Originally posted by DanH

And it's these attitudes which is why there is such a problem. Not people calling people horrible names.

It is those attitudes which are extremely damaging and the cause of such structural issues rather than the name calling.

Rubbish. You can be seen as, registered as, accepted as, welcomed as, anything as, British. Again, someone clearly west European will never be Japanese or Chinese or Nigerian or Ethiopian, and nobody will try to claim they are.

COYP

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 30 Mar 21 11.10am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays This is about identities. There is a genetic identity and there is a cultural identity....there is also what a passport says. Lammy is not English genetically and it doesn't matter how he feels about it. The English are actually a recognised ethnic group and membership of it is genetically set. As I write this I don't seriously believe that Lammy considers himself English in this regard. If Lammy considers himself culturally English that's for him. I've met fine people who consider themselves culturally English and depending upon how sincere it is people will take how they find. For example, many people think that Freddie Mercury was English or British when he wasn't, but culturally he was and it was genuine so people accepted him. However, personally I think Lammy is being disingenuous because I think what he really wants to do here is attack notions of indigenous English rights using old deconstruction arguments. The indigenous English/British/Irish have both a historical and ancestral claim to their lands, just as indigenous peoples' have claims on their homelands all over the world. My view of Lammy is that he's black British because he was born here. I know that lawmakers want to pretend that birthplace and ethnicity are intrinsically linked but in my view that's a fantasy. The point has been made many times but instances of birth in foreign lands is very weak as a claim that most believe....for example, David Gower, Cliff Richards and even Rudyard Kipling were born in India....only the deluded thinks this makes them Indian. There is no hard and fast rule but personally I think you have to be at least 50 genetically European before you can start claiming a European heritage as your identity. I recognise that if someone is mixed then they have that self identity to decide. However, the reality of Lammy is that if he has any European genes at all it's obviously nowhere near half. However, if someone wants to consider themselves English and they are genuine it isn't a big deal...Hell, if someone considers themselves a fruit bowl, I have no issues about that as long as I don't have to be involved in the delusion. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Mar 2021 12.59am) Agree. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 30 Mar 21 11.10am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

This is about identities.

There is a genetic identity and there is a cultural identity....there is also what a passport says.

Lammy is not English genetically and it doesn't matter how he feels about it. The English are actually a recognised ethnic group and membership of it is genetically set. As I write this I don't seriously believe that Lammy considers himself English in this regard.

If Lammy considers himself culturally English that's for him. I've met fine people who consider themselves culturally English and depending upon how sincere it is people will take how they find.

For example, many people think that Freddie Mercury was English or British when he wasn't, but culturally he was and it was genuine so people accepted him.

However, personally I think Lammy is being disingenuous because I think what he really wants to do here is attack notions of indigenous English rights using old deconstruction arguments.

The indigenous English/British/Irish have both a historical and ancestral claim to their lands, just as indigenous peoples' have claims on their homelands all over the world.

My view of Lammy is that he's black British because he was born here. I know that lawmakers want to pretend that birthplace and ethnicity are intrinsically linked but in my view that's a fantasy.

The point has been made many times but instances of birth in foreign lands is very weak as a claim that most believe....for example, David Gower, Cliff Richards and even Rudyard Kipling were born in India....only the deluded thinks this makes them Indian.

There is no hard and fast rule but personally I think you have to be at least 50 genetically European before you can start claiming a European heritage as your identity. I recognise that if someone is mixed then they have that self identity to decide. However, the reality of Lammy is that if he has any European genes at all it's obviously nowhere near half.

However, if someone wants to consider themselves English and they are genuine it isn't a big deal...Hell, if someone considers themselves a fruit bowl, I have no issues about that as long as I don't have to be involved in the delusion.

Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Mar 2021 12.59am)

Agree.

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DanH SW2 30 Mar 21 11.20am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Rubbish. You can be seen as, registered as, accepted as, welcomed as, anything as, British. Again, someone clearly west European will never be Japanese or Chinese or Nigerian or Ethiopian, and nobody will try to claim they are. It would be nice if it was rubbish but I don’t think it is. By saying someone isn’t English what they are essentially saying is that ‘this is more my country than your country’.
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DanH

SW2 30 Mar 21 11.20am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

It would be nice if it was rubbish but I don’t think it is. By saying someone isn’t English what they are essentially saying is that ‘this is more my country than your country’.

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dannyboy1978 30 Mar 21 11.23am
Dan h, can you define what ethnic minority is in your book?
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dannyboy1978

30 Mar 21 11.23am

Dan h, can you define what ethnic minority is in your book?

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Matov 30 Mar 21 11.25am
It's weird how little I care how David Lammy identifies himself anymore. He is clearly a political opportunist, like all of them in Westminster, and still has an eye on a potential leadership run so it makes sense for him to play the 'English' card and to be fair, on a cultural level, perfectly justified. But in terms of genetics/DNA, I suspect that the future might be more about wider terms. From my perspective, perhaps the future might be about us rising above petty nationalisms and adopting a more European identity along say (T)traditionalist lines. But then again I want us all speaking Latin so perhaps I am a little far out on this one! But the threats we face are from an enemy that takes an internationalist stance, be it from the Left and/or Islam hence why we perhaps need to match that? Drop all the petty regional bulls***? "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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Matov

30 Mar 21 11.25am

It's weird how little I care how David Lammy identifies himself anymore.

He is clearly a political opportunist, like all of them in Westminster, and still has an eye on a potential leadership run so it makes sense for him to play the 'English' card and to be fair, on a cultural level, perfectly justified.

But in terms of genetics/DNA, I suspect that the future might be more about wider terms. From my perspective, perhaps the future might be about us rising above petty nationalisms and adopting a more European identity along say (T)traditionalist lines. But then again I want us all speaking Latin so perhaps I am a little far out on this one!

But the threats we face are from an enemy that takes an internationalist stance, be it from the Left and/or Islam hence why we perhaps need to match that? Drop all the petty regional bulls***?

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 30 Mar 21 11.29am
Originally posted by DanH It would be nice if it was rubbish but I don’t think it is. By saying someone isn’t English what they are essentially saying is that ‘this is more my country than your country’. I don’t think so at all, especially as I agree that you have black British, Asian British. You even have people in those groups using their country of origin anyway. How do you have Asian English then? They aren’t both. Unless I suppose they’re half and half. I don’t know why you care anyway. You and Lammy are quite happy to eradicate English from this land and loathe it and everyone white anyway, including yourself. There will be conversations all over England where white people will say or admit they aren’t 100% English anyway, so no, it isn’t away of excluding people. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 30 Mar 21 11.29am

Originally posted by DanH

It would be nice if it was rubbish but I don’t think it is. By saying someone isn’t English what they are essentially saying is that ‘this is more my country than your country’.

I don’t think so at all, especially as I agree that you have black British, Asian British. You even have people in those groups using their country of origin anyway. How do you have Asian English then? They aren’t both. Unless I suppose they’re half and half.

I don’t know why you care anyway. You and Lammy are quite happy to eradicate English from this land and loathe it and everyone white anyway, including yourself.

There will be conversations all over England where white people will say or admit they aren’t 100% English anyway, so no, it isn’t away of excluding people.

COYP

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 30 Mar 21 11.32am
Originally posted by Matov It's weird how little I care how David Lammy identifies himself anymore. He is clearly a political opportunist, like all of them in Westminster, and still has an eye on a potential leadership run so it makes sense for him to play the 'English' card and to be fair, on a cultural level, perfectly justified. But in terms of genetics/DNA, I suspect that the future might be more about wider terms. From my perspective, perhaps the future might be about us rising above petty nationalisms and adopting a more European identity along say (T)traditionalist lines. But then again I want us all speaking Latin so perhaps I am a little far out on this one! But the threats we face are from an enemy that takes an internationalist stance, be it from the Left and/or Islam hence why we perhaps need to match that? Drop all the petty regional bulls*? Ireland are beginning to wake up to the fact we share more with them than they do with new entrants expecting Ireland to change for them. COYP**
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 30 Mar 21 11.32am

Originally posted by Matov

It's weird how little I care how David Lammy identifies himself anymore.

But the threats we face are from an enemy that takes an internationalist stance, be it from the Left and/or Islam hence why we perhaps need to match that? Drop all the petty regional bulls***?

Ireland are beginning to wake up to the fact we share more with them than they do with new entrants expecting Ireland to change for them.

COYP

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 30 Mar 21 11.35am
Originally posted by Matov It's weird how little I care how David Lammy identifies himself anymore. He is clearly a political opportunist, like all of them in Westminster, and still has an eye on a potential leadership run so it makes sense for him to play the 'English' card and to be fair, on a cultural level, perfectly justified. True. I think it’s only because it’s on here. Otherwise we’d just ignore his latest dislike and LBC for the jizz puddle it is. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 30 Mar 21 11.35am

Originally posted by Matov

It's weird how little I care how David Lammy identifies himself anymore.

True. I think it’s only because it’s on here. Otherwise we’d just ignore his latest dislike and LBC for the jizz puddle it is.

COYP

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Matov 30 Mar 21 11.39am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Ireland are beginning to wake up to the fact we share more with them than they do with new entrants expecting Ireland to change for them. This is the point. The average car-mechanic in say Bolton has a lot more in common with his counterpart in Budapest than either of them realise or are even allowed to countenance. It was one of the factors I never quite got about the EU. It championed the notion of a European identity on an elite level so that the notion of a Swedish man working for a Spanish bank attending a meeting in Berlin where fluent English is the default language is the accepted norm. But other than that? Almost nothing at all. The only time I ever saw what I would consider a reasonable cross-section of the British public cheering on anything with a European flag was during the Ryder Cup. That kind of sporting jingoism has an impact. Can foster a sense of common identity. And yet nothing made of it whatsoever. If anything, probably more sneering from the folks who inhabit the EU world than recognising it as an opportunity to promote a common bond. Edited by Matov (30 Mar 2021 11.40am) "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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Matov

30 Mar 21 11.39am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Ireland are beginning to wake up to the fact we share more with them than they do with new entrants expecting Ireland to change for them.

This is the point. The average car-mechanic in say Bolton has a lot more in common with his counterpart in Budapest than either of them realise or are even allowed to countenance.

It was one of the factors I never quite got about the EU. It championed the notion of a European identity on an elite level so that the notion of a Swedish man working for a Spanish bank attending a meeting in Berlin where fluent English is the default language is the accepted norm. But other than that? Almost nothing at all.

The only time I ever saw what I would consider a reasonable cross-section of the British public cheering on anything with a European flag was during the Ryder Cup. That kind of sporting jingoism has an impact. Can foster a sense of common identity. And yet nothing made of it whatsoever. If anything, probably more sneering from the folks who inhabit the EU world than recognising it as an opportunity to promote a common bond.

Edited by Matov (30 Mar 2021 11.40am)

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Stirlingsays 30 Mar 21 12.54pm
It's quite amusing when the left suggest that there are 'structural' problems due to attitudes. The left run the structures. They run the institutions, the media, corporations....you name it. Perhaps Dan wants to run a purity spiral witch hunt amongst leftists? A 'racism inquisition'? All very Salem. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

30 Mar 21 12.54pm

It's quite amusing when the left suggest that there are 'structural' problems due to attitudes.

The left run the structures.

They run the institutions, the media, corporations....you name it.

Perhaps Dan wants to run a purity spiral witch hunt amongst leftists? A 'racism inquisition'?

All very Salem.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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DanH SW2 30 Mar 21 1.01pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays It's quite amusing when the left suggest that there are 'structural' problems due to attitudes. The left run the structures. They run the institutions, the media, corporations....you name it. Perhaps Dan wants to run a purity spiral witch hunt amongst leftists? A 'racism inquisition'? All very Salem. It’s even funnier when you think the left run these things - those ruthless capitalists them.
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DanH

SW2 30 Mar 21 1.01pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It's quite amusing when the left suggest that there are 'structural' problems due to attitudes.

The left run the structures.

They run the institutions, the media, corporations....you name it.

Perhaps Dan wants to run a purity spiral witch hunt amongst leftists? A 'racism inquisition'?

All very Salem.

It’s even funnier when you think the left run these things - those ruthless capitalists them.

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