Wow, you are seriously deluded if you think the problem is that Corbyn isn't left wing enough....Hahahaha! I've heard it all now.

Ukip is and will reach out to Labour voters in the north who rightly feel Labour have betrayed them on immigration and then called them racists for not liking how their communities have been changed.

You can live in la la land all you like.

As for the massive overreaction over Hillsborough. Did you know Nuttal wrote what was on that website? I don't. It certainly was wrong to do but it wasn't related to politics today. What I do know is that he cleared up exactly what happened.... but of course his opponents aren't interested in that and want to continue the bad press.....and then have the hypocrisy to complain about Corbyn getting the same.

La la land.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Feb 2017 12.39pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Because what Phil Hammond has suggested they'll do is slash business tax only, so we won't see a drop in our tax receipts, but corporations who are already paying the lowest rates in Europe will now be able to trade without giving a penny back to society. This is tory economics pure and simple, looking out for the rich, and who gives a f*** about everyone else. They'll peddle the same 'trickle down' bull s*** again, the times and the sun will tell everyone to gulp down the medicine, and more and more people will join the food bank queues and the depleting welfare sheet as a consequence.

The only other option by 2020 will be Labour by the looks of it, unless something even more dramatic happens. They could put forward something radical to tackle our productivity problems, unprecedented inequality, and continued arselicking of the bank's and big business, but they're being restrained by hesitancy in the leadership office and a deluded blairite faction who think people still buy in to their triangulation.

Immigration is basically 0 in this country from now on, were leaving the eu, so who is left to blame?. Either we blame migrants who are here already and descend in to fascism, or we wake up like we did in the 20s and 30s, see the f***king elephant in the room and tell the financial sector to go f*** themselves. they offer nothing to our society, have lead to millions losing secure work and happiness and deserve no place in this country.

Edited by serial thriller (28 Feb 2017 1.03pm)

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

Their role is about ensuring Brexit is carried through and isn't turned into a mushy mess where immigration is allowed to continue at anything like its current rates.

You say the Tories have taken these stances but many of their leadership are remainers and words are just that...words. The actions taken thus far don't add up to a hill of beans.

I don't claim that all doubting Labour voters will go to Ukip....clearly anti immigration numbers within Labour itself are a minority...a significant minority but a minority all the same.....It's mainly with the section who always had voted Labour by tradition rather than the ideological.....That's who Ukip have traction with.

The fact remains however that depending on the form that Brexit takes and the arguments the Labour party supports...still supporting high immigration. Ukip have a high likelihood of taking a large number of votes from a pro large scale immigration party like Labour.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

But you still ain't answered a fundamental question I'm posing. If brexit goes through by 2020, and if immigration, as it is doing, becomes almost 0, who are we going to blame that the country is still in the shot, that we still are the most unequal country in Europe, that our high streets and societies are still radically changing, that our public services are a mess and we don't have enough people to care for the elderly, teach our kids, work in our hospitals?

Like I say, I fear it will be blamed once again on the 'enemy within' i.e. migrants already in this country. This is a crucial element of fascism, to not only alienate ourselves from those beyond our borders, but to also antagonism a group of citizens within our own nation.

I am saying, and I really, really wish Corbyn would say it loud and clear, that it is the huge potnof money in the middle of London, which we spent billions bailing out without any democratic input, and who have given us none of that money back, but instead watched on as we descend further and further in to austerity because of them, while they channel the money of corporations who are killing off local businesses, driving wages down and raise their own bonuses ever higher.

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

Except he hasn't. Or at the very least the message he is now putting out should have a healthy degree of scepticism applied to it.

Now he claims that he didn't know what was on his website (which may or may not be true) but that he was there. Despite more than one of his contemporaries saying that they didn't think he was there, that he never talked about being there, and that he wasn't believed to have been there by the school who were providing in depth counselling and support to the children who did attend.

So even when he has apparently come clean, he still looks to be lying. Now he may not, but there is more than an element of doubt.

I will agree that it hasn't got anything to do with the specific politics of Stoke, other than to suggest he is a lying little toerag who was looking to pick up support and sympathy for something that he had no right to do so (oh and that Corbyn clearly is not losing because he is too centrist)

"It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show

If.

I think your question doesn't really understand what happened with the Brexit vote.

I don't believe that most of the people who voted to get out of the EU....and hence reduce immigration believed for one moment that this would be some kind of panacea.

In fact, I feel that they....like I was are well aware that the country is likely to go through a difficult period financially....hell we were warned constantly about that.

People reacted upon what the EU had become and what politicians had decided for them in changing their country. So when it came to this specific question the leavers were eager to be heard....the leavers came from both left and right.

No, what the reduction in immigration will do is....over time.... is bring back ownership of communities to people who actually...not only speak English/British but also feel some allegiance to the same. I walk down Wisbech highstreet and I don't know what country I'm in anymroe.

Reducing the number of low skilled migrants but allowing for higher skilled ones will eventually translate into less strain on infrastructure than would be the case...for example GP appointments, less large on class sizes and so on.

For some areas this will definitely take longer than others.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Feb 2017 3.09pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)