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hedgehog50  Croydon 05 Jun 17 4.29pm |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
Your point was about the "recent attacks on our streets"... How recent do you want 'recent' to be?
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 05 Jun 17 4.31pm |
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Because those people were very much on the left. What was your second point?
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 05 Jun 17 4.35pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Because those people were very much on the left. What was your second point? As you cannot scroll... police were found to be institionally racist in some places if I recall. Would you rather they were allowed to carry on as they were?
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 Hansy 05 Jun 17 4.36pm |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
Not sure the above is 100% accurate, however this is the point of having the NEC; so that policy is a collective enterprise. Theresa's manifesto is exactly that. She doesn't trust her cabinet. She's beholden to two advisers and has marginalised everyone else. She's a poor and weak leader as demonstrated throughout this campaign. If she is a poor and weak leader, what does that make Corbyn? A Leader should have their party behind them, Labour MPs are campaigning for their jobs. Imagine if 80% of Tories voted against May, The Left would be rolling around in laughter. May isn't a great choice, no one is in this election. Corbyn doesn't lead Labour, and Labour have dampened his views. How can a leader lead if his views are being restricted? Agreed that the Tories have been leading May, which is why she called the election to form a larger majority. Edited by Hansy (05 Jun 2017 4.37pm)
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| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 05 Jun 17 4.42pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
How recent do you want 'recent' to be? Well you said that Labour had "suddenly" decided to make political capital out of "recent" attacks. That implies to me the ones that happened in the last few weeks which have been the focus of this topic of discussion in the current election campaign. Which were you referring to? You could argue that these "recent" attacks throw into sharp relief the need for more investment in policing rather than supporting May's record on cuts.
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Y Ddraig Goch  In The Crowd 05 Jun 17 4.44pm |
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Originally posted by Hansy
If she is a poor and weak leader, what does that make Corbyn? A Leader should have their party behind them, Labour MPs are campaigning for their jobs. Imagine if 80% of Tories voted against May, The Left would be rolling around in laughter. May isn't a great choice, no one is in this election. Corbyn doesn't lead Labour, and Labour have dampened his views. How can a leader lead if his views are being restricted? Agreed that the Tories have been leading May, which is why she called the election to form a larger majority. Edited by Hansy (05 Jun 2017 4.37pm) Indeed, as I said in the Corbyn thread, last year most Labour MPs wouldn't trust him to run a bath. Now we are expected to believe he he can run the country.
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| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 05 Jun 17 4.47pm |
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Originally posted by Hansy
If she is a poor and weak leader, what does that make Corbyn? A Leader should have their party behind them, Labour MPs are campaigning for their jobs. Imagine if 80% of Tories voted against May, The Left would be rolling around in laughter. May isn't a great choice, no one is in this election. Corbyn doesn't lead Labour, and Labour have dampened his views. How can a leader lead if his views are being restricted? Agreed that the Tories have been leading May, which is why she called the election to form a larger majority. Edited by Hansy (05 Jun 2017 4.37pm) Party politics is like this. It's not a dictatorship. The Labour party is intended to be a collective movement with policies designed by the NEC. It's been like this for a while. The reality is May had the backing of a few MPs and never the party membership. Corbyn at least won the backing of the membership (twice) and convincingly both times. MPs are only our representatives not overlords.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 05 Jun 17 4.52pm |
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What is apparent is that Labour policy hasn't been that called into account by the Tories (or on here) It's been lies, slurs, ad hominem and 'magic money tree'
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| Hansy 05 Jun 17 4.52pm |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
Could that be because advisers to the Tories, believed that Cyber security needed more funds. Funding hasn't been cut and re-routed to May's back pockets, it had to be routed elsewhere; like the additional £1.9bn in cyber security spending announced in 2016. Or the £250m made available to Cyber Security start ups in 2015. Police numbers shouldn't be decreased, that I agree with. But I don't agree with 20,000 more police officers could of stopped someone acting alone and deciding to mow people down in the case of Westminster.
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| Hansy 05 Jun 17 4.54pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
What is apparent is that Labour policy hasn't been that called into account by the Tories (or on here) It's been lies, slurs, ad hominem and 'magic money tree' That means it has been brought into account.... Magic money tree = Not being able to afford it, so unable to pass all on the manifesto.
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| Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 05 Jun 17 4.58pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
What is apparent is that Labour policy hasn't been that called into account by the Tories (or on here) It's been lies, slurs, ad hominem and 'magic money tree' And LAbour have been the same. Tories will privatise the NHS and make people pay. Challenge someone that it isnt in the manifesto and the response is, well it wouldnt be. Today a Labour councillor posted a MEME of May claiming she had said things regarding Lesbians. When challenged as to the origin of the quote she started to say well the Tories were vile [Tweet Link]
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| Hansy 05 Jun 17 5.01pm |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
Party politics is like this. It's not a dictatorship. The Labour party is intended to be a collective movement with policies designed by the NEC. It's been like this for a while. The reality is May had the backing of a few MPs and never the party membership. Corbyn at least won the backing of the membership (twice) and convincingly both times. MPs are only our representatives not overlords. MPs are also spokespeople for their constituency that voted for Labour, that have to work for or with their leader. May had 50% in the initial ballot, and was unopposed in the popular vote. 50% is still more than those that voted confidence for Corbyn in the no confidence vote.
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