How do you know who withdraws or refuses?

Solicitors often spend as much time counselling their clients over the plea they will enter as preparing the defence. Remember there has to be a full disclosure of evidence by the prosecution to the defence, so the solicitor can challenge their client with this. The bottom line though is that they don’t determine guilt. That’s the job of the court.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

I remember the OJ Simpson trial.....two butchered humans got no justice, thanks to lawyers and a probably racially biased jury.

Lawyers are human like everybody else. When you combine rich financial rewards with the worst human traits allied to very bright people of course they will lie and manipulate....Hell, they would probably do it for free due to their mental make up.

Language can be manipulated to support just about anything negative and presented as a positive if it's in someone's interests.

In many ways it's the more tragic side of human existence.

Some professions enable those people more than others. But just as there are people who improve lives and do well, there are people who wreck them and do well....and everything inbetween.

If you call a spade a spade the fact that many lawyers (there will always be exceptions) deliberately lie when it suits them is no news to anyone.

Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Jul 2023 9.33am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Simply wrong and demonstrates your ignorance of legal issues. No point going round in circles on this.

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

I agree it’s not worth going round in circles on this. You would argue that black was white if I said it.

It’s not though wrong. Even duty solicitors must put aside their personal opinions and do their job when asked to advise on what to us may look like open and shut cases. That they might have little or no belief in what they say on behalf of their client doesn’t mean they are lying. They aren’t speaking for themselves. They are mouthpieces for their clients.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

This is your imagination only, you have no idea what they are thinking or what criteria they use, I guarantee I have more direct experience of dealing with lawyers than you do. Your comment on knowing a bit about the law because of your work demonstrates how little you actually know. Many examples of company's being exposed financially and legally is because they had a self important Capt Mainwaring figure who thought he knew a bit about about the law.

This tiresome discussion started because you said that the allegations against Edwards were false because a solicitor acting for the alleged victim had issued a statement and they would not lie.

You would be more effective than water boarding as a torture.

Edited by HKOwen (22 Jul 2023 9.56am)

Edited by HKOwen (22 Jul 2023 9.57am)

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

They're all great. Roy Cohn was a lawyer - what better example could there be?