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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 05 Jun 17 4.07pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt Bernie Grant, the (Labour) leader of Haringey Council said afterwards that 'the police got a bloody good hiding'. You may not have celebrated it but one of your fellow travellers did. You guys do realise that those on "the left" don't all believe the same things about every single thing? People vote for the same party for a number of different reasons. Some on here need to stop harking back to the 80s as if it was some kind of blueprint for the kind of economy and society people would like to live in in 2020. The issue being discussed is policing and safety in 2017 and beyond not 1985.
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Bernie Grant, the (Labour) leader of Haringey Council said afterwards that 'the police got a bloody good hiding'. You may not have celebrated it but one of your fellow travellers did.

You guys do realise that those on "the left" don't all believe the same things about every single thing?

People vote for the same party for a number of different reasons.

Some on here need to stop harking back to the 80s as if it was some kind of blueprint for the kind of economy and society people would like to live in in 2020.

The issue being discussed is policing and safety in 2017 and beyond not 1985.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 05 Jun 17 4.10pm
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle You guys do realise that those on "the left" don't all believe the same things about every single thing? People vote for the same party for a number of different reasons. Some on here need to stop harking back to the 80s as if it was some kind of blueprint for the kind of economy and society people would like to live in in 2020. The issue being discussed is policing and safety in 2017 and beyond not 1985. The point we are making is that the sudden concern of Labour for police numbers is merely an attempt to make political capital over the recent attacks on our streets. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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hedgehog50

Croydon 05 Jun 17 4.10pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

You guys do realise that those on "the left" don't all believe the same things about every single thing?

People vote for the same party for a number of different reasons.

Some on here need to stop harking back to the 80s as if it was some kind of blueprint for the kind of economy and society people would like to live in in 2020.

The issue being discussed is policing and safety in 2017 and beyond not 1985.

The point we are making is that the sudden concern of Labour for police numbers is merely an attempt to make political capital over the recent attacks on our streets.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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europalace Europe 05 Jun 17 4.13pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 The point we are making is that the sudden concern of Labour for police numbers is merely an attempt to make political capital over the recent attacks on our streets. In exactly the way Trump is making political capital over tweeting negativity about London Mayor Sadiq Khan simply because he's Muslim and Trump is trying to justify his nonsensical Muslim travel ban yet again. Edited by europalace (05 Jun 2017 4.14pm)
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Europe 05 Jun 17 4.13pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

The point we are making is that the sudden concern of Labour for police numbers is merely an attempt to make political capital over the recent attacks on our streets.

In exactly the way Trump is making political capital over tweeting negativity about London Mayor Sadiq Khan simply because he's Muslim and Trump is trying to justify his nonsensical Muslim travel ban yet again.

Edited by europalace (05 Jun 2017 4.14pm)

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Hansy 05 Jun 17 4.16pm
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle You guys do realise that those on "the left" don't all believe the same things about every single thing? Correct. Corbyn didn't want to renew Trident, Labour did. Corbyn wants to reduce the Armed forces size, Labour don't. Corbyn didn't pick a side during the referendum, Labour were remain. Corbyn asked Labour MPs to vote to trigger Article 50, many Labour MPs abstained/voted against. Corbyn voted against including Al Qaeda as a terrorist organisation, Labour voted for. Corbyn believes Falklands and Gibraltar should be shared with Argentina and Spain, Labour don't. Corbyn believes he has the full backing of Labour, 3/4 of Labour don't. Seeing a rhythm here. Edited by Hansy (05 Jun 2017 4.18pm)
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05 Jun 17 4.16pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
You guys do realise that those on "the left" don't all believe the same things about every single thing?

Correct.

Corbyn didn't want to renew Trident, Labour did.
Corbyn wants to reduce the Armed forces size, Labour don't.
Corbyn didn't pick a side during the referendum, Labour were remain.
Corbyn asked Labour MPs to vote to trigger Article 50, many Labour MPs abstained/voted against.
Corbyn voted against including Al Qaeda as a terrorist organisation, Labour voted for.
Corbyn believes Falklands and Gibraltar should be shared with Argentina and Spain, Labour don't.
Corbyn believes he has the full backing of Labour, 3/4 of Labour don't.

Seeing a rhythm here.

Edited by Hansy (05 Jun 2017 4.18pm)

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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 05 Jun 17 4.17pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 The point we are making is that the sudden concern of Labour for police numbers is merely an attempt to make political capital over the recent attacks on our streets. Er... The policy was in the manifesto which was released (and leaked before that) prior to the Manchester bombing and this latest attack.
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Sydenham 05 Jun 17 4.17pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

The point we are making is that the sudden concern of Labour for police numbers is merely an attempt to make political capital over the recent attacks on our streets.

Er... The policy was in the manifesto which was released (and leaked before that) prior to the Manchester bombing and this latest attack.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 05 Jun 17 4.19pm
Originally posted by europalace In exactly the way Trump is making political capital over tweeting negativity about London Mayor Sadiq Khan simply because he's Muslim and Trump is trying to justify his nonsensical Muslim travel ban yet again. Edited by europalace (05 Jun 2017 4.14pm) What the f has Trump got to do with this 'discussion'. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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hedgehog50

Croydon 05 Jun 17 4.19pm

Originally posted by europalace

Edited by europalace (05 Jun 2017 4.14pm)

What the f has Trump got to do with this 'discussion'.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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steeleye20 Croydon 05 Jun 17 4.19pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 The point we are making is that the sudden concern of Labour for police numbers is merely an attempt to make political capital over the recent attacks on our streets. Of course it is but it has happened and Mrs May is responsible and accountable.
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Croydon 05 Jun 17 4.19pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

The point we are making is that the sudden concern of Labour for police numbers is merely an attempt to make political capital over the recent attacks on our streets.

Of course it is but it has happened and Mrs May is responsible and accountable.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 05 Jun 17 4.20pm
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle Er... The policy was in the manifesto which was released (and leaked before that) prior to the Manchester bombing and this latest attack. So what, my point stands, there have been attacks prior to Manchester. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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hedgehog50

Croydon 05 Jun 17 4.20pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

Er... The policy was in the manifesto which was released (and leaked before that) prior to the Manchester bombing and this latest attack.

So what, my point stands, there have been attacks prior to Manchester.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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hedgehog50 Croydon 05 Jun 17 4.22pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Of course it is but it has happened and Mrs May is responsible and accountable. The police had shot dead the fascists within 8 minutes of being alerted. She should be praised for having such an effective police force. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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hedgehog50

Croydon 05 Jun 17 4.22pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Of course it is but it has happened and Mrs May is responsible and accountable.

The police had shot dead the fascists within 8 minutes of being alerted. She should be praised for having such an effective police force.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 05 Jun 17 4.26pm
Originally posted by Hansy Correct. Corbyn didn't want to renew Trident, Labour did. Corbyn wants to reduce the Armed forces size, Labour don't. Corbyn didn't pick a side during the referendum, Labour were remain. Corbyn asked Labour MPs to vote to trigger Article 50, many Labour MPs abstained/voted against. Corbyn voted against including Al Qaeda as a terrorist organisation, Labour voted for. Corbyn believes Falklands and Gibraltar should be shared with Argentina and Spain, Labour don't. Corbyn believes he has the full backing of Labour, 3/4 of Labour don't. Seeing a rhythm here. Edited by Hansy (05 Jun 2017 4.18pm) Not sure the above is 100% accurate, however this is the point of having the NEC; so that policy is a collective enterprise. Theresa's manifesto is exactly that. She doesn't trust her cabinet. She's beholden to two advisers and has marginalised everyone else. She's a poor and weak leader as demonstrated throughout this campaign.
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CambridgeEagle

Sydenham 05 Jun 17 4.26pm

Originally posted by Hansy

Correct.

Seeing a rhythm here.

Edited by Hansy (05 Jun 2017 4.18pm)

Not sure the above is 100% accurate, however this is the point of having the NEC; so that policy is a collective enterprise.

Theresa's manifesto is exactly that. She doesn't trust her cabinet. She's beholden to two advisers and has marginalised everyone else. She's a poor and weak leader as demonstrated throughout this campaign.

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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 05 Jun 17 4.27pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 So what, my point stands, there have been attacks prior to Manchester. Your point was about the "recent attacks on our streets"...
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Sydenham 05 Jun 17 4.27pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

So what, my point stands, there have been attacks prior to Manchester.

Your point was about the "recent attacks on our streets"...

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 05 Jun 17 4.29pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 As you no doubt realise, I am referring to some factions of the Labour party at the time, including at least one MP. Then why say the left. See you swerved my second point.
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Shizzlehurst 05 Jun 17 4.29pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

As you no doubt realise, I am referring to some factions of the Labour party at the time, including at least one MP.

Then why say the left.

See you swerved my second point.

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