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HKOwen Hong Kong 11 Nov 22 11.01pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Not only is the UK the only major economy to be shrinking in the three months to September, but it is the only one not to have recovered in full the chunk of the economy lost during the pandemic. Amazingly, the UK still has an economy 0.4% smaller than in the quarter before the pandemic in Q4 2019. And they assault our brains with 'growth, growth growth', while all the time the tories have pushed us into negative growth, 0.4%. If their remedy is what we all expect, there is no investment or growth there, just pain except for mainly themselves. The financial black hole is not convincing imo and I have read a lot of economists who think the same. Why do we actually have to endure a long recession, at all? No one with any simple economic understanding would use one quarter as a reference for anything. Movements of 0.1 or 0.2 on GDP are rounding and not a guide to anything. The UK economy is not an outlier when compared to Europe or North America but you continually pick on some irrelevance to try and score a political point. You seem to be saying that every other " major ' economy has recovered " what was lost during Covid. How are you measuring that? GDP? FYI the BBC article is not accurate if that is your reference. Such generic contrasts are easy to manipulate. Edited by HKOwen (11 Nov 2022 11.07pm)
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Mapletree Croydon 11 Nov 22 11.06pm | |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
No one with any simple economic understanding would use one quarter as a reference for anything. Movements of 0.1 or 0.2 on GDP are rounding and not a guide to anything. The UK economy is not an outlier when compared to Europe or North America but you continually pick on some irrelevance to try and score a political point. You seem to be saying that every other " major ' economy has recovered " what was lost during Covid. How are you measuring that? GDP? A weaker than expected recovery from the coronavirus pandemic has left the UK as the only G7 country with a smaller economy than in early 2020 ONS
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Mapletree Croydon 11 Nov 22 11.09pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Yesterday there was a UK Parliament vaccine debate. Dr John Campbell (nursing) reported on it and shows relevant clips from it here. Campbell is totally untrustworthy
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Stirlingsays 11 Nov 22 11.28pm | |
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I disagree with both yours and fullfact's conclusions. Fullfact is basically a Facebook and social liberal front. I find the fact that you seem to be supporting the argument that healthy children should be taking these particular vaccines as highly disappointing. I think government policy will soon make that position look rather poorly chosen. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Nov 2022 11.30pm)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Nov 22 11.35pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
That's very true. The fact that Tory MPs thought Kwarteng's poor understanding and handling of market reaction creating a 60 billion loss was unacceptable yet regard Sunak....the guy who literally spent 400 billion keeping people at home is a little insane in my eyes. The markets apparently regard the ridiculous levels of spending by Sunak as sensible, yet when it's Kwarteng suddenly they throw a wobbler. Personally, I think there is more to it.....Sunak is their man. The markets don't "regard" anything! They aren't people with brains and opinions. They react to people with brains and opinions. People who are not coordinated in any way at all. So when the markets did not react negatively to our response to the Covid crisis it could only be because people had confidence that the decisions taken were wise in the circumstances, and that although costly they were better than the alternatives. They were seen to be able to keep the country functioning, avoiding too many business failures and an economic meltdown, so that a strong recovery, taking advantage of pent up demand, would follow when it was over. Then we got hit by the Ukrainian war, rising energy costs, supply chain shortages, worldwide inflation and the residual impact of Brexit. So when Truss decided to introduce an unfunded, unthought through package, people could see it wasn't going to work and the markets reacted. Not because they hold an opinion, but because people got nervous. Seeing a conspiracy around every corner isn't good for your health. You should stop paying attention to people like Paul Joseph Watson.
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Stirlingsays 11 Nov 22 11.42pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The markets don't "regard" anything! They aren't people with brains and opinions. They react to people with brains and opinions. People who are not coordinated in any way at all. So when the markets did not react negatively to our response to the Covid crisis it could only be because people had confidence that the decisions taken were wise in the circumstances, and that although costly they were better than the alternatives. They were seen to be able to keep the country functioning, avoiding too many business failures and an economic meltdown, so that a strong recovery, taking advantage of pent up demand, would follow when it was over. Then we got hit by the Ukrainian war, rising energy costs, supply chain shortages, worldwide inflation and the residual impact of Brexit. So when Truss decided to introduce an unfunded, unthought through package, people could see it wasn't going to work and the markets reacted. Not because they hold an opinion, but because people got nervous. Seeing a conspiracy around every corner isn't good for your health. You should stop paying attention to people like Paul Joseph Watson. You can have an opinion, being on the right we tend to afford political hypocrites that right. However, what you think or suggest couldn't matter less to me. If I want advice from an obsolete social liberal I'll assure you'll be the first to know....just don't wait up. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Nov 2022 11.48pm)
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 12 Nov 22 6.38am | |
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I tend to view things mentioned in the above posts on a slightly different perspective. Scientific Guidance for Covid was always politically led ££££. Sir Chris Whitty should hang his head, and others. Fundamental flaws in a Covid Strategy. Track and Trace, leaving people in care homes to die.etc. Or perhaps these errors of judgement were made under the influence of excess alcohol, during many Government works meetings where heavy drinking was par for the course. The Covid Contracts trough. What was (in any other circumstances) an illegal awarding of huge contracts to friends, relatives and business acquaintances with no accountability. The markets had no choice but to react to whatever was put in front of them during Covid, but let's not pretend they also had no influence on Government policy. The Government was at pains to protect the economy. There is no residual impact of Brexit. Europe was always going to make an example of the UK, and totally try to fck us over at every turn. This will continue forever. Rising energy costs. An absolute pl55-take of the free-market economy. Where captive markets are exploited to their fullest to provide Government tax, profit and dividends for shareholders. All of the energy /fuel companies are posting record profits from the last couple of years. There is no need for prices to be this high, and the warnings of winter black-outs and no heating are complete bullocks. The Ukrainian invasion was a convenient distraction for the West, which they provoked by getting Ukraine to join the NATO expansion. Now a glorified live-firing range for the arms manufacturers and dealers to sell their wares. No Government(s)-negotiated solution or cease-fire, just the murdering of civilians and destruction of a country while NATO took a step back. So, we clap for nurses then don't want to pay them And who is paying for poppies on Rememberance Day? our ex-service people should be looked after by Government funds and arms companies profits. The people that sent them to war. Not charitable donations from the public. Just my opinion(s), in the current climate. Attachment: Bow Street rememberance.JPG (3,969.52Kb)
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HKOwen Hong Kong 12 Nov 22 7.52am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The markets don't "regard" anything! They aren't people with brains and opinions. They react to people with brains and opinions. People who are not coordinated in any way at all. So when the markets did not react negatively to our response to the Covid crisis it could only be because people had confidence that the decisions taken were wise in the circumstances, and that although costly they were better than the alternatives. They were seen to be able to keep the country functioning, avoiding too many business failures and an economic meltdown, so that a strong recovery, taking advantage of pent up demand, would follow when it was over. Then we got hit by the Ukrainian war, rising energy costs, supply chain shortages, worldwide inflation and the residual impact of Brexit. So when Truss decided to introduce an unfunded, unthought through package, people could see it wasn't going to work and the markets reacted. Not because they hold an opinion, but because people got nervous. Seeing a conspiracy around every corner isn't good for your health. You should stop paying attention to people like Paul Joseph Watson. The unquantifiable Brexit again. Because you think something does not make it so except in your world. Spare me your usual " most sensible people " nonsense.
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Spiderman Horsham 12 Nov 22 8.08am | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Bullying is really an individual thing. Having worked U.K. the public sector, it is not uncommon for some, who get senior jobs, working for the Ministers, to be K***s, not all though. Many get the jobs based on them talking a good game, rather than having any experience in the relevant field.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Nov 22 9.07am | |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
The unquantifiable Brexit again. Because you think something does not make it so except in your world. Spare me your usual " most sensible people " nonsense.
Apply that to yourself! Measuring the Brexit effect may not be "quantifiable" down to the last £1, but anyone who is serious about discussing this, even ardent Brexit enthusiasts, accept it has had, and continues to have, an impact on us, which others haven't had. They are the sensible ones. Those who are not are those who, purely for ideological reasons, want to pretend it doesn't matter. If you find this amusing, then I am very thankful I don't share your sense of humour.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Nov 22 9.13am | |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Having worked U.K. the public sector, it is not uncommon for some, who get senior jobs, working for the Ministers, to be K***s, not all though. Many get the jobs based on them talking a good game, rather than having any experience in the relevant field. It's not only the public sector. It happens everywhere, though possibly not so much, but of that I cannot comment as I never worked in the public sector. Have you ever heard of the "Peter principle"? The idea that people get promoted to the level of their incompetence? It is still alive and well in many places!
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Nov 22 9.18am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
You can have an opinion, being on the right we tend to afford political hypocrites that right. However, what you think or suggest couldn't matter less to me. If I want advice from an obsolete social liberal I'll assure you'll be the first to know....just don't wait up. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Nov 2022 11.48pm) Your usual response when you have run out of actual arguments.
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