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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 25 Feb 21 11.06am | |
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Originally posted by MonsterMunch
If we have actually hit the glass ceiling as a club, or at least until the academy begins to produce, and our only target/ambition each season now is retention in the premier league then you are 100% right I want to see an improvement in performances..what else do we have?! I want to be entertained. This stagnation we are seeing now, no ambition to progress in cups, scrape enough points each season to stay in the league whats the point of it all? The only ones who are really getting any value from this are the shareholders and the players when looking at their salaries each month. Entertainment does not mean tippy tappy style football. This is a lazy rebuttal from the Roy supporters. I have not had expectations of Palace playing this way, its not in our DNA I do not believe any palace fan is asking for this. The De Boer comments are just as lazy. If on the other hand we do have some ambition to try to keep moving forward, to progress as a club, target a top 10 finish then in my imo we need a new manager. Over the course of the season Roys tactics are effective. Roy has been and is during his tenure been effective in accumulating sufficient points every season. I think it just boils down to many Palace fans wanting more. Just because those on the other side of the fence are happy the way things are and just accepting of whats being served up does not mean we are all of the same opinion. I dont judge anyone on their opinion thats absolutely fine, I respect many want to support the Manager and want him to continue and allow him to go again next year. Many just demand more from Palace and want to see Palace at least try to keep moving forward. You are of course entitled to your opinion and I think you've explained it quite nicely. Some maybe content with what we have now and may even think we've peaked and should be grateful for that. They may also be more risk averse and concerned about the consequences of change when we appear to have relative stability, regardless of the entertainment value of the football, citing previous situations the club has found itself in and downfalls of similarly sized clubs from our position. Others may be more inclined to want a bit more, (which surely is the nature of a football fan), being less risk averse and dreaming of a better tomorrow. They might also have genuine concerns over the performances we are seeing and a legitimate gripe at performances not being entertaining, football is entertainment at its core surely not? As always, either side can point to facts or generally accepted truths as evidence for their beliefs. Either way, I actually quite enjoy considering all views on this, centred around the manger on this particular thread. I of course have my own views but it can be refreshing and thought provoking to consider things I have not considered and get different angles of perspective. I am however growing quite a grudge against this weird obsession for some posters to be cultivating some new kind of 'virtue signalling', cringingly reminiscent of 'wokeism', whereby they feel the need to jump on anyone who has any criticism, or even a slightly negative opinion, on anything club related. You see them often resorting to using extreme interpretations or distortions of someone's position as a reason to ridicule, belittle, denounce and insult them whilst trying to simultaneously elevate their own standing as a 'fan' (in their own heads and invented hierarchy anyway). This is of course entirely different to even very heated debates over such matters where opposing opinions are clashing. We have 'thought police' pervasive throughout our society now and it seems as though you can't even discuss your views on football anymore without someone from the 'cancel culture' mob trying to censor and shut down your opinion! The more I keep banging on about this the closer I ironically come to doing something similar to that I claim to despise... so I may begin to swerve! Rant over, COYP!!
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eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 25 Feb 21 11.10am | |
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Originally posted by Putitout
Parish, has been making some noises , that things might be about to happen, No real hint on Hodgson, though. Well, if nothing else, he would definitely give Luka a run in the Discipline stake. He is currently joint top in yellow cards( 8 ) Luka is on 6. Luka didnt serve a 1 match suspension due to getting his 5th yellow after the 32 game limit, Gallagher has already served a 1 match ban & is well on his way to getting a 2 match ban for reaching 10 yellows. Bet you are all pleased i posted that
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Eaglecoops CR3 25 Feb 21 11.18am | |
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Originally posted by silvertop
I am pretty much on est1905's side on this (although he needs to remember we were a functioning club way before 1905!) but do see your point of view on the quality of football before us. What I wish the Roy Out brigade would drop - and drop fast - is this constant reference to us winning only when blessed by bizarre fortune but every defeat must lie at the feet of Hodgson and systemic failures he is solely responsible for. It's rubbish. It only works if you deduct the games where we have been very unlucky from the games where we have been lucky and you still get a positive. Make your points, by all means, lord knows I want our club associated with more attractive football; but please don't spout errant nonsense to justify an argument. It just dilutes it. Why do you speak in absolutes? Brighton was a fluke win, it was a result that couldn’t have been any more against the run of play. In goal scoring terms it was in a way similar to the Liverpool game, what was it, 9 shots, 7 goals. Us against Brighton 3 shots, 2 goals, although that is where the similarities end. But I have made no reference to other matches. To be honest, I do believe we have probably had more than our fair share of good fortune this season, but last year I thought it was the other way round. It does have a way of levelling out over a period of time. I haven’t used this point of view to emphasise anything, only you. I don’t like Roy’s tactics, I never have, whether he was at England, Liverpool or Palace. I hate his style of football and as such I would rather he was out the club as soon as we can find a suitable replacement. It is as simple as that.
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Eaglecoops CR3 25 Feb 21 11.23am | |
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
You are of course entitled to your opinion and I think you've explained it quite nicely. Some maybe content with what we have now and may even think we've peaked and should be grateful for that. They may also be more risk averse and concerned about the consequences of change when we appear to have relative stability, regardless of the entertainment value of the football, citing previous situations the club has found itself in and downfalls of similarly sized clubs from our position. Others may be more inclined to want a bit more, (which surely is the nature of a football fan), being less risk averse and dreaming of a better tomorrow. They might also have genuine concerns over the performances we are seeing and a legitimate gripe at performances not being entertaining, football is entertainment at its core surely not? As always, either side can point to facts or generally accepted truths as evidence for their beliefs. Either way, I actually quite enjoy considering all views on this, centred around the manger on this particular thread. I of course have my own views but it can be refreshing and thought provoking to consider things I have not considered and get different angles of perspective. I am however growing quite a grudge against this weird obsession for some posters to be cultivating some new kind of 'virtue signalling', cringingly reminiscent of 'wokeism', whereby they feel the need to jump on anyone who has any criticism, or even a slightly negative opinion, on anything club related. You see them often resorting to using extreme interpretations or distortions of someone's position as a reason to ridicule, belittle, denounce and insult them whilst trying to simultaneously elevate their own standing as a 'fan' (in their own heads and invented hierarchy anyway). This is of course entirely different to even very heated debates over such matters where opposing opinions are clashing. We have 'thought police' pervasive throughout our society now and it seems as though you can't even discuss your views on football anymore without someone from the 'cancel culture' mob trying to censor and shut down your opinion! The more I keep banging on about this the closer I ironically come to doing something similar to that I claim to despise... so I may begin to swerve! Rant over, COYP!! Excellent post. I drafted something similar but there were too many expletives in it so I deleted it! It would appear you have a cooler head.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 25 Feb 21 11.30am | |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
Why do you speak in absolutes? Brighton was a fluke win, it was a result that couldn’t have been any more against the run of play. In goal scoring terms it was in a way similar to the Liverpool game, what was it, 9 shots, 7 goals. Us against Brighton 3 shots, 2 goals, although that is where the similarities end. But I have made no reference to other matches. To be honest, I do believe we have probably had more than our fair share of good fortune this season, but last year I thought it was the other way round. It does have a way of levelling out over a period of time. I haven’t used this point of view to emphasise anything, only you. I don’t like Roy’s tactics, I never have, whether he was at England, Liverpool or Palace. I hate his style of football and as such I would rather he was out the club as soon as we can find a suitable replacement. It is as simple as that. You have made your views patently clear with eloquence and your sentiments resonate with many of our supporters. I will re-iterate that supporters and owners can have different perspectives and priorities.To major investors remaining in the PL with it's profile and global reach is paramount and to this end Mr Hodgson has met his objectives season on season and that on a limited spend.
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Eaglecoops CR3 25 Feb 21 11.35am | |
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Originally posted by Willo
You have made your views patently clear with eloquence and your sentiments resonate with many of our supporters. I will re-iterate that supporters and owners can have different perspectives and priorities.To major investors remaining in the PL with it's profile and global reach is paramount and to this end Mr Hodgson has met his objectives season on season and that on a limited spend. Nothing you say is wrong but I would be interested to have seen how a full Selhurst Park would have reacted to some of our home performances this season. There are no checks or balances from a live response this year, so players and managers can stroll off the pitch without a care, regardless of the result.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 25 Feb 21 11.46am | |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
Nothing you say is wrong but I would be interested to have seen how a full Selhurst Park would have reacted to some of our home performances this season. There are no checks or balances from a live response this year, so players and managers can stroll off the pitch without a care, regardless of the result. Our Home form in recent seasons with spectators in the ground hasn't been that impressive.
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PatrickA London 25 Feb 21 11.58am | |
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I speak as a fan rather than as owner or shareholder. Originally posted by Willo
You have made your views patently clear with eloquence and your sentiments resonate with many of our supporters. I will re-iterate that supporters and owners can have different perspectives and priorities.To major investors remaining in the PL with it's profile and global reach is paramount and to this end Mr Hodgson has met his objectives season on season and that on a limited spend.
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CrazyBadger Ware 25 Feb 21 12.01pm | |
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I've been in the Roy out brigade - more for succession planning than anything else. However, last Summer we appears to have had a change in tack and started to invest in younger players; Eze, Ferguson, Banks, and a whole host of of others to strengthen our academy, this January we bought Mateta. We cannot fix our ageing squad in one window(you run The risk of doing a chelsea, and having gelling issues) but actually we are going about things in the right way. Edited by CrazyBadger (25 Feb 2021 12.03pm)
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 25 Feb 21 12.05pm | |
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Originally posted by PatrickA
I speak as a fan rather than as owner or shareholder. I have been an avid supporter of since the 60s and whilst I have a perspective as a loyal devotee of many years, I understand the perspective of those whose riches have been ploughed into the club and whose investment is better protected by remaining in the PL with it's profile and global reach.
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Putitout Oxford 25 Feb 21 12.08pm | |
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Originally posted by eagleman13
I don’t think anyone would be to unhappy at the fact he has a naughty streak . If he can play, and the the more you see of this boy he can. Some of the very best midfielders throughout the years have not been angels. Luca, is all about braking play up , stopping movements from developing. Gallagher, will sit in and can do all of that ,
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PatrickA London 25 Feb 21 12.22pm | |
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Originally posted by Willo
Do you allow your perceived perspective of the owners to triumph over your perspective as an avid supporter who has frequently declared his unhappiness at performances? I can't do this, but of course it may be something you can do. I have been an avid supporter of since the 60s and whilst I have a perspective as a loyal devotee of many years, I understand the perspective of those whose riches have been ploughed into the club and whose investment is better protected by remaining in the PL with it's profile and global reach.
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