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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 06 Jan 21 8.46pm
Originally posted by Mapletree I expect you would have been there if you could eh? Nothing like a good 'revolution', for that is what it is. Apparently. Reminds me of good old Croydon in 2011, what fun we had eh! In fairness Croydon was a lot more punchy than this. Most of them seem to be wandering around looking surprised they actually got in. The symbolism and sheer brazenness of this is what makes it outrageous. Not the violence. Vandals Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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SW19 CPFC

Addiscombe West 06 Jan 21 8.46pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

I expect you would have been there if you could eh? Nothing like a good 'revolution', for that is what it is. Apparently.

Reminds me of good old Croydon in 2011, what fun we had eh!

In fairness Croydon was a lot more punchy than this. Most of them seem to be wandering around looking surprised they actually got in. The symbolism and sheer brazenness of this is what makes it outrageous. Not the violence. Vandals

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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Matov 06 Jan 21 8.47pm
This is the s*** that would have gone down here if Brexit had been thwarted. The supposed 'bright and beautiful' of modern politics still don't seem to have grasped the undercurrents of real anger that underpinned both Brexit and Trump's election. The Democrats hijacked Covid to game the election. As simple as that. No Covid, Trump strolls it. This is not a coup. This is just very real anger. What I do not understand is how they even got into that building. Whatever the outcome, whoever is in charge of security needs to be hauled over a lot of very hot coals. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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06 Jan 21 8.47pm

This is the s*** that would have gone down here if Brexit had been thwarted.

The supposed 'bright and beautiful' of modern politics still don't seem to have grasped the undercurrents of real anger that underpinned both Brexit and Trump's election.

The Democrats hijacked Covid to game the election. As simple as that. No Covid, Trump strolls it.

This is not a coup. This is just very real anger. What I do not understand is how they even got into that building. Whatever the outcome, whoever is in charge of security needs to be hauled over a lot of very hot coals.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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SavoyTruffle 06 Jan 21 8.48pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Well, I'm highlighting the hypocrisy. Your second paragraph does however make a significant point. It's that after years of watching the Police soft ball Antifa/blm and operate against those who actually supported the Police, right wing groups have had enough. After their leader was arrested yesterday they have decided to stop supporting the Police and to start treating them as Antifa treat them. In terms of the Police that's what you are seeing. The Capitol building event is specific to the election and would have happened regardless. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jan 2021 8.29pm) Police soft ball... the attached picture is the Lincoln Memorial during the BLM protests at in DC. Your detached from reality Sterling. Attachment: ErEsonZUcAA3ZcI.jpg (107.14Kb)
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06 Jan 21 8.48pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Well, I'm highlighting the hypocrisy.

Your second paragraph does however make a significant point. It's that after years of watching the Police soft ball Antifa/blm and operate against those who actually supported the Police, right wing groups have had enough.

After their leader was arrested yesterday they have decided to stop supporting the Police and to start treating them as Antifa treat them.

In terms of the Police that's what you are seeing.

The Capitol building event is specific to the election and would have happened regardless.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jan 2021 8.29pm)

Police soft ball... the attached picture is the Lincoln Memorial during the BLM protests at in DC.

Your detached from reality Sterling.

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kevlee born Wandsworth emigrated to Lanc... 06 Jan 21 8.49pm
Maybe it will end like Jim Jones and his People’s Temple in Guyana. Trump gets all his supporters to kill themselves and then he miraculously escapes.... At which point will the men in white coats turn up? Following Palace since 25 Feb 1978
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born Wandsworth emigrated to Lanc... 06 Jan 21 8.49pm

Maybe it will end like Jim Jones and his People’s Temple in Guyana. Trump gets all his supporters to kill themselves and then he miraculously escapes....
At which point will the men in white coats turn up?

Following Palace since 25 Feb 1978

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Stirlingsays 06 Jan 21 8.51pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC It’s really not the same Just because it’s a protest that is starting to turn violent doesn’t make it excusable because of whataboutery If it was just a few people burning stuff down in the city and smashing up Starbucks like the examples you cite, it’s just as bad as any other rioting, and equivalent. Breaking and entering congress is another level altogether. Doesn’t matter who it is, that’s why it’s provoking significant outrage. If you don’t think this is wrong because ‘the left’ then that’s a pretty childish point of view. Again, any violence is disgraceful - I don’t care the ‘side’ but this? Morony of the highest order Just because other people on the ‘other side’ have in your view been getting away with violent rioting doesn’t justify this in any way. Simple as. I don't agree....I think it's much the same. The building is symbolic for sure, but other than that the same processes are at play. The break in doesn't change anything....again, symbolic. The only difference is in the reaction the media have and the reaction from those on the left.....you suddenly want to write about it. I mean...look at the mostly peaceful demonstration....don't look at the broken doors and glass. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

06 Jan 21 8.51pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

It’s really not the same

Just because it’s a protest that is starting to turn violent doesn’t make it excusable because of whataboutery

If it was just a few people burning stuff down in the city and smashing up Starbucks like the examples you cite, it’s just as bad as any other rioting, and equivalent.

Breaking and entering congress is another level altogether. Doesn’t matter who it is, that’s why it’s provoking significant outrage. If you don’t think this is wrong because ‘the left’ then that’s a pretty childish point of view. Again, any violence is disgraceful - I don’t care the ‘side’ but this? Morony of the highest order

Just because other people on the ‘other side’ have in your view been getting away with violent rioting doesn’t justify this in any way. Simple as.

I don't agree....I think it's much the same.

The building is symbolic for sure, but other than that the same processes are at play. The break in doesn't change anything....again, symbolic.

The only difference is in the reaction the media have and the reaction from those on the left.....you suddenly want to write about it.

I mean...look at the mostly peaceful demonstration....don't look at the broken doors and glass.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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madcap_v2 SE25 / Ibiza 06 Jan 21 8.53pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC It’s really not the same Just because it’s a protest that is starting to turn violent doesn’t make it excusable because of whataboutery If it was just a few people burning stuff down in the city and smashing up Starbucks like the examples you cite, it’s just as bad as any other rioting, and equivalent. Breaking and entering congress is another level altogether. Doesn’t matter who it is, that’s why it’s provoking significant outrage. If you don’t think this is wrong because ‘the left’ then that’s a pretty childish point of view. Again, any violence is disgraceful - I don’t care the ‘side’ but this? Morony of the highest order Just because other people on the ‘other side’ have in your view been getting away with violent rioting doesn’t justify this in any way. Simple as. Whataboutery is Stirling's trump card. A politically motivated group has broken into Congress, this is terrorism. La la la your mum
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SE25 / Ibiza 06 Jan 21 8.53pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

It’s really not the same

Just because it’s a protest that is starting to turn violent doesn’t make it excusable because of whataboutery

If it was just a few people burning stuff down in the city and smashing up Starbucks like the examples you cite, it’s just as bad as any other rioting, and equivalent.

Just because other people on the ‘other side’ have in your view been getting away with violent rioting doesn’t justify this in any way. Simple as.

Whataboutery is Stirling's trump card.
A politically motivated group has broken into Congress, this is terrorism.

La la la your mum

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Stirlingsays 06 Jan 21 8.54pm
Originally posted by SavoyTruffle Police soft ball... the attached picture is the Lincoln Memorial during the BLM protests at in DC. Your detached from reality Sterling. In DC genius. The actual seat of power you know....where the great and good are. Good heavens, you know...they actually stopped Antifa/blm getting to the White House as well you know....Blimey. Now do you want to find all the photos of the destruction that the Police allowed Antifa/blm to do? No, thought not.....but there are countless examples of the Police standing down for it....lost buildings, businesses, lost lives. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jan 2021 8.55pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

06 Jan 21 8.54pm

Originally posted by SavoyTruffle

Police soft ball... the attached picture is the Lincoln Memorial during the BLM protests at in DC.

Your detached from reality Sterling.

In DC genius.

The actual seat of power you know....where the great and good are.

Good heavens, you know...they actually stopped Antifa/blm getting to the White House as well you know....Blimey.

Now do you want to find all the photos of the destruction that the Police allowed Antifa/blm to do?

No, thought not.....but there are countless examples of the Police standing down for it....lost buildings, businesses, lost lives.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jan 2021 8.55pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 06 Jan 21 8.58pm
Originally posted by madcap_v2 Whataboutery is Stirling's trump card. A politically motivated group has broken into Congress, this is terrorism. Yeah, 'whataboutery' is a serious criticism of those who suddenly find political 'terrorism' important. Four years of not giving a feck and now it's 'oh my goodness'. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

06 Jan 21 8.58pm

Originally posted by madcap_v2

Whataboutery is Stirling's trump card.
A politically motivated group has broken into Congress, this is terrorism.

Yeah, 'whataboutery' is a serious criticism of those who suddenly find political 'terrorism' important.

Four years of not giving a feck and now it's 'oh my goodness'.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 06 Jan 21 8.58pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I don't agree....I think it's much the same. The building is symbolic for sure, but other than that the same processes are at play. The break in doesn't change anything....again, symbolic. The only difference is in the reaction the media have and the reaction from those on the left.....you suddenly want to write about it. I mean...look at the mostly peaceful demonstration....don't look at the broken doors and glass. The symbolism and attempt to disrupt a democratic process ‘trumps’ the violence. Yes it’s mostly peaceful (for now) but the bit that isn’t is far worse than rioting. It’s a disgrace Also I remember antifa / BLM etc rioting being covered extensively across multiple news outlets. I don’t remember any of them supporting it. I’m sure there are some right wing media outlets and self appointed figureheads doing just that. Trump is - if he wasn’t he’d ask them to leave. What he isn’t saying says it all. Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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SW19 CPFC

Addiscombe West 06 Jan 21 8.58pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I don't agree....I think it's much the same.

The building is symbolic for sure, but other than that the same processes are at play. The break in doesn't change anything....again, symbolic.

The only difference is in the reaction the media have and the reaction from those on the left.....you suddenly want to write about it.

I mean...look at the mostly peaceful demonstration....don't look at the broken doors and glass.

The symbolism and attempt to disrupt a democratic process ‘trumps’ the violence. Yes it’s mostly peaceful (for now) but the bit that isn’t is far worse than rioting. It’s a disgrace

Also I remember antifa / BLM etc rioting being covered extensively across multiple news outlets. I don’t remember any of them supporting it. I’m sure there are some right wing media outlets and self appointed figureheads doing just that. Trump is - if he wasn’t he’d ask them to leave. What he isn’t saying says it all.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 06 Jan 21 9.01pm
Turkey chiming in with some on point trolling [Tweet Link] Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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SavoyTruffle 06 Jan 21 9.03pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays In DC genius. The actual seat of power you know....where the great and good are. Good heavens, you know...they actually stopped Antifa/blm getting to the White House as well you know....Blimey. Now do you want to find all the photos of the destruction that the Police allowed Antifa/blm to do? No, thought not.....but there are countless examples of the Police standing down for it....lost buildings, businesses, lost lives. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jan 2021 8.55pm) Wait... where do you think the Capitol Building is? I wonder if Martin Gugino thought the police soft balled him... Edited by SavoyTruffle (06 Jan 2021 9.04pm) Attachment: NKXBRIFHPQI6VOZA5PYJEHZ3XU.jpg (551.42Kb)
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SavoyTruffle

06 Jan 21 9.03pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

In DC genius.

The actual seat of power you know....where the great and good are.

Good heavens, you know...they actually stopped Antifa/blm getting to the White House as well you know....Blimey.

Now do you want to find all the photos of the destruction that the Police allowed Antifa/blm to do?

No, thought not.....but there are countless examples of the Police standing down for it....lost buildings, businesses, lost lives.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jan 2021 8.55pm)

Wait... where do you think the Capitol Building is?

I wonder if Martin Gugino thought the police soft balled him...

Edited by SavoyTruffle (06 Jan 2021 9.04pm)

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BlueJay UK 06 Jan 21 9.04pm
Some set their own bar at the very worst examples of their political opposites. This essentially leaves the individual with no standard to uphold, because they can always point to someone else and say 'but look at them!' or 'I don't recall you disagreeing with it when x did it, you hypocrite!' as if what some random individual thinks changes what the situation itself means. Almost everyone on here has condemned violent protests, I certainly have. With that in mind, it seems rather disingenuous now to try to gloss over a complete disregard for law and attempt to either move on from it as it's happening or colour it neutrally as a show of power rather than something that is dangerous for elected officials and protestors alike. The other week W12 made a few comments on here that did not in any way fall short of painting violence at this time as a valid option. I'm not looking for conversation to become tainted by stuff that is more at home on TOR. Anyone with sense criticises what is happening here without reservation. They don't get a thrill out of it or shrug off politicians holding a democratically held vote being imperiled en-masse. Edited by BlueJay (06 Jan 2021 9.06pm)
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UK 06 Jan 21 9.04pm

Some set their own bar at the very worst examples of their political opposites. This essentially leaves the individual with no standard to uphold, because they can always point to someone else and say 'but look at them!' or 'I don't recall you disagreeing with it when x did it, you hypocrite!' as if what some random individual thinks changes what the situation itself means.

Almost everyone on here has condemned violent protests, I certainly have. With that in mind, it seems rather disingenuous now to try to gloss over a complete disregard for law and attempt to either move on from it as it's happening or colour it neutrally as a show of power rather than something that is dangerous for elected officials and protestors alike.

The other week W12 made a few comments on here that did not in any way fall short of painting violence at this time as a valid option. I'm not looking for conversation to become tainted by stuff that is more at home on TOR. Anyone with sense criticises what is happening here without reservation. They don't get a thrill out of it or shrug off politicians holding a democratically held vote being imperiled en-masse.

Edited by BlueJay (06 Jan 2021 9.06pm)

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