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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 20 Jul 23 10.30am | |
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Thankfully, the situation seems to be headed in the right direction, before things got legally complicated. It seems Huw Edwards had too much time and money on his hands. Now he'll have too much of one, and not enough of the other.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 20 Jul 23 11.30am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
All possibly true, up to your last paragraph. There’s no definitely about it. We don’t know the motivations and may never know. Perhaps they met in hospital and Edwards befriended and decided to help him. Why he was using dating sites, when apparently in a stable marriage and with a wife who obviously cares, is also questionable but there are possible, if unlikely, innocent explanations for that too. I don't think it's prudent for BBC employees to be meeting young people regularly in hospitals anymore. I presume that was intentional humour. I thought perhaps you were going to say Stoke Mandeville.
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Teddy Eagle 20 Jul 23 11.37am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
They weren’t accepted but in this case they weren’t known about and/or regarded as child abuse. So far as I know none of the victims, or their parents, complained. Indeed many pushy parents were proud that their kid “knew” a big personality. Although it is thought some of them were very young, most were in the 13 to 16 age group. Don’t misunderstand me, I am not defending this in any way, but the sexual liberation of the 60s had a lingering impact and youngsters back then were “experimenting” earlier than in the past so could have regarded an advance from someone famous as flattering and not as abuse. This was, and is, an issue for the whole of society and not just the BBC. All we are witnessing here is those who, for their own reasons dislike the BBC, using well publicised events to engage in some bashing, when many other similar events elsewhere have doubtless occurred under the radar. There is no suggestion that you are defending what they did but it looks like victim blaming to say all those who were subject to their attention were complicit; in any case, leaving aside the morality, what they did was illegal.
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PalazioVecchio south pole 20 Jul 23 12.35pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Perhaps they met in hospital and Edwards befriended and decided to help him. Why he was using dating sites, when apparently in a stable marriage and with a wife who obviously cares, is also questionable but there are possible, if unlikely, innocent explanations for that too. seriously mate, are you on some strong medications ? THAT was the apologising, Politically Correct, dismissive, 'in denial' and tolerant culture that allowed Jimmy Savile and the pakistani rape gangs ply their trade for decades....... with tons of new victims every year. had i discovered a middle aged man contacting a young vulnerable kid within my remit.....i could not write online what my reaction would be. But it would certainly be beyond the remit of Howard Webb to referee. Edited by PalazioVecchio (20 Jul 2023 12.46pm)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Jul 23 12.42pm | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
I don't think it's prudent for BBC employees to be meeting young people regularly in hospitals anymore. I presume that was intentional humour. I thought perhaps you were going to say Stoke Mandeville. I was imagining that both might have been inpatients. It's not unusual for drug abusers to need physiatric help and we know Edwards has too. I'll take your word on Grindr. You obviously know a lot more than I do, which is nothing at all.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Jul 23 12.49pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
There is no suggestion that you are defending what they did but it looks like victim blaming to say all those who were subject to their attention were complicit; in any case, leaving aside the morality, what they did was illegal. I am no more blaming the victims than the BBC! I am trying to explain what really happened in the circumstances of the prevailing culture of the time. Yes, what they did was illegal but so too was what a high percentage of teenagers did in the 60s and 70s and no doubt still do today. Most of them without any sense of wrongdoing. Only a sense of fear, either of getting pregnant or of getting caught. Again, don't misunderstand. I am not equating teenage behaviour with what Savile did. Only that many of his victims may well not have seen themselves as victims.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Jul 23 12.55pm | |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
seriously mate, are you on some strong medications ? THAT was the apologising, Politically Correct, dismissive, 'in denial' and tolerant culture that allowed Jimmy Savile and the pakistani rape gangs ply their trade for decades....... with tons of new victims every year. had i discovered a middle aged man contacting a young vulnerable kid within my remit.....i could not write online what my reaction would be. But it would certainly be beyond the remit of Howard Webb to referee. Edited by PalazioVecchio (20 Jul 2023 12.46pm) If you didn't know you couldn't done anything. If the kid, along with their parents, didn't see themselves as vulnerable, but as lucky, would you still have intervened and risked being told to bog off. It's easy to pontificate, but none of us actually faced these circumstances and who knows how we might have really acted.
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PalazioVecchio south pole 20 Jul 23 1.05pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
If you didn't know you couldn't done anything. If the kid, along with their parents, didn't see themselves as vulnerable, but as lucky, would you still have intervened and risked being told to bog off. It's easy to pontificate, but none of us actually faced these circumstances and who knows how we might have really acted. i am all for 'live and let live', tolerant and all that. But it doesnt extend so far as an ancient sleazy fella. Chasing after an impecunious boy with a fistful of Sterling in one hand and his erect langer in the other. Seeking the type of images that would get you an interview under Caution from the Old Bill. Edited by PalazioVecchio (20 Jul 2023 1.09pm)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Jul 23 3.51pm | |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
i am all for 'live and let live', tolerant and all that. But it doesnt extend so far as an ancient sleazy fella. Chasing after an impecunious boy with a fistful of Sterling in one hand and his erect langer in the other. Seeking the type of images that would get you an interview under Caution from the Old Bill. Edited by PalazioVecchio (20 Jul 2023 1.09pm) You are believing what the Sun want you to believe, but that doesn't mean it's true. The truth is we don't actually know what happened, or why. We only know what the Sun has said, some of which the boy denied, which forced them to stop slanting their story. Jumping to conclusions through inferences is exactly how the Sun, and many of Murdoch's publications operate. You want sleaze? Look no further than Rupert Murdoch!
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 20 Jul 23 3.57pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I was imagining that both might have been inpatients. It's not unusual for drug abusers to need physiatric help and we know Edwards has too. I'll take your word on Grindr. You obviously know a lot more than I do, which is nothing at all.
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Teddy Eagle 20 Jul 23 5.10pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I am no more blaming the victims than the BBC! I am trying to explain what really happened in the circumstances of the prevailing culture of the time. Yes, what they did was illegal but so too was what a high percentage of teenagers did in the 60s and 70s and no doubt still do today. Most of them without any sense of wrongdoing. Only a sense of fear, either of getting pregnant or of getting caught. Again, don't misunderstand. I am not equating teenage behaviour with what Savile did. Only that many of his victims may well not have seen themselves as victims. And would you extend this same level of tolerance to a member of the EDF, or whatever the current equivalent is, who'd done the same?
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Part Time James 20 Jul 23 5.17pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I was imagining that both might have been inpatients. It's not unusual for drug abusers to need physiatric help and we know Edwards has too. I'll take your word on Grindr. You obviously know a lot more than I do, which is nothing at all. For the layman, Grindr is like Holmesdale.net but with less football chat and less unsolicited touching.
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