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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Jul 23 11.22pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle So the contention is that although senior staff at the BBC knew the BBC itself didn't. Some senior staff either knew/suspected, or later said they knew/suspected. Not all, but some. They kept quiet. They should not have kept quiet, if they truly knew. That was a failure of the reporting system. Which has been corrected. The most senior management, those with sufficient authority to take action, didn't know and without knowing there was nothing they could have even contemplated doing. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 19 Jul 23 11.22pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

So the contention is that although senior staff at the BBC knew the BBC itself didn't.

Some senior staff either knew/suspected, or later said they knew/suspected. Not all, but some. They kept quiet. They should not have kept quiet, if they truly knew. That was a failure of the reporting system. Which has been corrected.

The most senior management, those with sufficient authority to take action, didn't know and without knowing there was nothing they could have even contemplated doing.

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Teddy Eagle 19 Jul 23 11.28pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Which showed evidence of a weak system but not that the top management knew. So management weren't informed of these enquiries at any stage except to be told the system was weak. No mention of hundreds of girls being abused and raped by one or more of their employees. Yes, that makes sense.
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Teddy Eagle

19 Jul 23 11.28pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Which showed evidence of a weak system but not that the top management knew.

So management weren't informed of these enquiries at any stage except to be told the system was weak. No mention of hundreds of girls being abused and raped by one or more of their employees. Yes, that makes sense.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Jul 23 8.04am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle So management weren't informed of these enquiries at any stage except to be told the system was weak. No mention of hundreds of girls being abused and raped by one or more of their employees. Yes, that makes sense. Of course not! No one told the management the system was weak. They weren’t told anything because the system was weak. It existed at a different time when expectations, standards and behaviour were all very different to today. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 20 Jul 23 8.04am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Of course not!

No one told the management the system was weak. They weren’t told anything because the system was weak. It existed at a different time when expectations, standards and behaviour were all very different to today.

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Teddy Eagle 20 Jul 23 8.16am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Of course not! No one told the management the system was weak. They weren’t told anything because the system was weak. It existed at a different time when expectations, standards and behaviour were all very different to today. Really? Rape and child abuse were accepted in the 1970s? I don't think so. These enquiries were held and then literally nothing happened for 40 years when it was admitted the system was weak?
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Teddy Eagle

20 Jul 23 8.16am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Of course not!

Really? Rape and child abuse were accepted in the 1970s? I don't think so.
These enquiries were held and then literally nothing happened for 40 years when it was admitted the system was weak?

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Stirlingsays 20 Jul 23 8.22am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Really? Rape and child abuse were accepted in the 1970s? I don't think so. These enquiries were held and then literally nothing happened for 40 years when it was admitted the system was weak? I'll give him something on those standards in the 70s being different to today. The grooming gangs wouldn't have been allowed to happen without response. Our Police wouldn't have let it flourish and you wouldn't have had so many just stay silent.....and worse, some come out with excuses. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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20 Jul 23 8.22am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Really? Rape and child abuse were accepted in the 1970s? I don't think so.
These enquiries were held and then literally nothing happened for 40 years when it was admitted the system was weak?

I'll give him something on those standards in the 70s being different to today.

The grooming gangs wouldn't have been allowed to happen without response. Our Police wouldn't have let it flourish and you wouldn't have had so many just stay silent.....and worse, some come out with excuses.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Teddy Eagle 20 Jul 23 8.26am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I'll give him something on those standards in the 70s being different to today. The grooming gangs wouldn't have been allowed to happen without response. Our Police wouldn't have let it flourish and you wouldn't have had so many just stay silent.....and worse, some come out with excuses. Indeed. And no one would have used the Catch-22 of the systems were weak but no one knew because the systems were weak. How many lives were ruined because of those "weak systems"?
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Teddy Eagle

20 Jul 23 8.26am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I'll give him something on those standards in the 70s being different to today.

Indeed. And no one would have used the Catch-22 of the systems were weak but no one knew because the systems were weak.
How many lives were ruined because of those "weak systems"?

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Spiderman Horsham 20 Jul 23 8.43am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I have had much more experience with the legal system in the UK than ever I wanted to. In fact I had a meeting with a solicitor this morning. I was the MD of a business, and owned two of my own. It's impossible to avoid having to aquire some legal knowledge in those circumstances. So yes, I do and of course I am being serious. No solicitor, let alone a barrister, would risk telling an untruth. They will ensure they know the truth by asking detailed questions of the client and then decide how best to present it. That will involve what to emphasise and what to ignore, so that the overall picture is seen in the most postive way for their client. In this case there was a simple, straightforward denial. That must be true. Perhaps the young person denied it because, they are a drug addict, whose habit was being well funded by whoever. His cash cow suddenly stopped thanks to his concerned parents. I can see they would not be happy with parents. I don’t know but not beyond the realms of possibility. Maybe the wife of the accused is trying to protect his reputation ( although I would have thought she is more than livid). I doubt we will ever the know the truth but, the accused is most definitely perverted and has been complicit in funding a young persons drug habit
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Horsham 20 Jul 23 8.43am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I have had much more experience with the legal system in the UK than ever I wanted to. In fact I had a meeting with a solicitor
this morning. I was the MD of a business, and owned two of my own. It's impossible to avoid having to aquire some legal knowledge in those circumstances. So yes, I do and of course I am being serious. No solicitor, let alone a barrister, would risk telling an untruth. They will ensure they know the truth by asking detailed questions of the client and then decide how best to present it. That will involve what to emphasise and what to ignore, so that the overall picture is seen in the most postive way for their client.

In this case there was a simple, straightforward denial. That must be true.

Perhaps the young person denied it because, they are a drug addict, whose habit was being well funded by whoever. His cash cow suddenly stopped thanks to his concerned parents. I can see they would not be happy with parents. I don’t know but not beyond the realms of possibility.
Maybe the wife of the accused is trying to protect his reputation ( although I would have thought she is more than livid).
I doubt we will ever the know the truth but, the accused is most definitely perverted and has been complicit in funding a young persons drug habit

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Stirlingsays 20 Jul 23 8.49am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Indeed. And no one would have used the Catch-22 of the systems were weak but no one knew because the systems were weak. How many lives were ruined because of those "weak systems"? Crimes have taken place via negligence and because they have been committed within the system they aren't persecuted. Personally I think the blame can be found at the top of the tree....Ministers, civil service and related departments. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

20 Jul 23 8.49am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Indeed. And no one would have used the Catch-22 of the systems were weak but no one knew because the systems were weak.
How many lives were ruined because of those "weak systems"?

Crimes have taken place via negligence and because they have been committed within the system they aren't persecuted.

Personally I think the blame can be found at the top of the tree....Ministers, civil service and related departments.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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cryrst The garden of England 20 Jul 23 9.33am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Crimes have taken place via negligence and because they have been committed within the system they aren't persecuted. Personally I think the blame can be found at the top of the tree....Ministers, civil service and related departments. Crimes have been committed because of the fear of cancel culture and being called a racist, homophobe, far right etc. with no one brave enough to take the case because of aforementioned. Suella bravaman is next to be cancelled as she’s stating truths and that’s not allowed around certain subjects as we the far right racist bigots know too well
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cryrst

The garden of England 20 Jul 23 9.33am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Crimes have taken place via negligence and because they have been committed within the system they aren't persecuted.

Personally I think the blame can be found at the top of the tree....Ministers, civil service and related departments.

Crimes have been committed because of the fear of cancel culture and being called a racist, homophobe, far right etc. with no one brave enough to take the case because of aforementioned. Suella bravaman is next to be cancelled as she’s stating truths and that’s not allowed around certain subjects as we the far right racist bigots know too well

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Jul 23 10.16am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Really? Rape and child abuse were accepted in the 1970s? I don't think so. These enquiries were held and then literally nothing happened for 40 years when it was admitted the system was weak? They weren’t accepted but in this case they weren’t known about and/or regarded as child abuse. So far as I know none of the victims, or their parents, complained. Indeed many pushy parents were proud that their kid “knew” a big personality. Although it is thought some of them were very young, most were in the 13 to 16 age group. Don’t misunderstand me, I am not defending this in any way, but the sexual liberation of the 60s had a lingering impact and youngsters back then were “experimenting” earlier than in the past so could have regarded an advance from someone famous as flattering and not as abuse. This was, and is, an issue for the whole of society and not just the BBC. All we are witnessing here is those who, for their own reasons dislike the BBC, using well publicised events to engage in some bashing, when many other similar events elsewhere have doubtless occurred under the radar. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 20 Jul 23 10.16am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Really? Rape and child abuse were accepted in the 1970s? I don't think so.
These enquiries were held and then literally nothing happened for 40 years when it was admitted the system was weak?

They weren’t accepted but in this case they weren’t known about and/or regarded as child abuse. So far as I know none of the victims, or their parents, complained. Indeed many pushy parents were proud that their kid “knew” a big personality. Although it is thought some of them were very young, most were in the 13 to 16 age group.

Don’t misunderstand me, I am not defending this in any way, but the sexual liberation of the 60s had a lingering impact and youngsters back then were “experimenting” earlier than in the past so could have regarded an advance from someone famous as flattering and not as abuse.

This was, and is, an issue for the whole of society and not just the BBC. All we are witnessing here is those who, for their own reasons dislike the BBC, using well publicised events to engage in some bashing, when many other similar events elsewhere have doubtless occurred under the radar.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Stirlingsays 20 Jul 23 10.21am
Originally posted by cryrst Crimes have been committed because of the fear of cancel culture and being called a racist, homophobe, far right etc. with no one brave enough to take the case because of aforementioned. Suella bravaman is next to be cancelled as she’s stating truths and that’s not allowed around certain subjects as we the far right racist bigots know too well Spot on. It's somewhat ironic that the only actual conservatives in the modern Tory party are ethnic....it's because Cameron wasn't willing to filter them out because of diversity numbers. But all the white Tories are liberals like him. More power to Badenoch. Out of the leadership candidates she was my pick because she was only two of the five options who were actually recognisable Tories. She should have won the leadership. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Jul 2023 10.22am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

20 Jul 23 10.21am

Originally posted by cryrst

Spot on.

It's somewhat ironic that the only actual conservatives in the modern Tory party are ethnic....it's because Cameron wasn't willing to filter them out because of diversity numbers. But all the white Tories are liberals like him.

More power to Badenoch. Out of the leadership candidates she was my pick because she was only two of the five options who were actually recognisable Tories. She should have won the leadership.

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Jul 2023 10.22am)

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Jul 23 10.25am
Originally posted by Spiderman Perhaps the young person denied it because, they are a drug addict, whose habit was being well funded by whoever. His cash cow suddenly stopped thanks to his concerned parents. I can see they would not be happy with parents. I don’t know but not beyond the realms of possibility. Maybe the wife of the accused is trying to protect his reputation ( although I would have thought she is more than livid). I doubt we will ever the know the truth but, the accused is most definitely perverted and has been complicit in funding a young persons drug habit All possibly true, up to your last paragraph. There’s no definitely about it. We don’t know the motivations and may never know. Perhaps they met in hospital and Edwards befriended and decided to help him. Why he was using dating sites, when apparently in a stable marriage and with a wife who obviously cares, is also questionable but there are possible, if unlikely, innocent explanations for that too. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 20 Jul 23 10.25am

Originally posted by Spiderman

All possibly true, up to your last paragraph. There’s no definitely about it. We don’t know the motivations and may never know. Perhaps they met in hospital and Edwards befriended and decided to help him. Why he was using dating sites, when apparently in a stable marriage and with a wife who obviously cares, is also questionable but there are possible, if unlikely, innocent explanations for that too.

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