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  georgenorman  29 Jul 24 5.56pm |
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Originally posted by Runningman
Winter fuel allowance for pensioners cut. Unless in receipt of pensions credit. Let’s hit the poorest to fund above inflation pay rises for public sector workers. Talk about levelling up ! I think it is the right thing to do. It is absurd that the likes of Alan Sugar were in receipt of the handouts.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 29 Jul 24 5.56pm |
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Pension credit is deliberately fixed above basic state pension to discourage claimants. With the two child benefit cap it's very clear whose side this lot will be on. The wealthy, especially Reeves banker friends. A statement Osborne would have been proud of.
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| Runningman Keston 29 Jul 24 7.48pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
I think it is the right thing to do. It is absurd that the likes of Alan Sugar were in receipt of the handouts. Oh so now every pensionernot on the basic pension must be in-the same income bracket as Alan Sugar Edited by Runningman (29 Jul 2024 7.48pm)
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| Runningman Keston 29 Jul 24 7.49pm |
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Originally posted by Runningman
Oh so now every pensioner not on the basic pension must be in-the same income bracket as Alan Sugar Edited by Runningman (29 Jul 2024 7.48pm)
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| georgenorman 29 Jul 24 8.11pm |
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Originally posted by Runningman
Oh so now every pensionernot on the basic pension must be in-the same income bracket as Alan Sugar Edited by Runningman (29 Jul 2024 7.48pm) So you think it a good use of taxes to pay Alan Sugar a fuel allowance?
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| Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 29 Jul 24 8.21pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
So you think it a good use of taxes to pay Alan Sugar a fuel allowance? How many pensioners are as comfortable as Alan Sugar? How many are on the poverty line? How many in the middle that will have to make severe adjustments to their winter heating? They are the category that will be affected the most. It might have been better to keep the allowance but reduce it (by half maybe), but the cynic in me says that the traditional Tory voter needs to be reminded how misguided they have been when voting.
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| georgenorman 29 Jul 24 8.30pm |
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Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines
How many pensioners are as comfortable as Alan Sugar? How many are on the poverty line? How many in the middle that will have to make severe adjustments to their winter heating? They are the category that will be affected the most. It might have been better to keep the allowance but reduce it (by half maybe), but the cynic in me says that the traditional Tory voter needs to be reminded how misguided they have been when voting. So you do think that Sugar should get the allowance?
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| steeleye20 Croydon 29 Jul 24 8.30pm |
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The OBR will bear out the shortfall I think, the public did not appreciate Hunt's NI give-away they smelt a rat and it contributed to the rout of the tories. So the incoming chancellor should reverse the cut and restore financial competence I agree. But she boxes herself in with a promise to not increase any taxes, in which case she cannot do so, thus lumbering the country with the failed Hunt give-away they voted against. And the people who can ill afford it end up paying for it, are pensioners and low earning families. I saw her coming, when I saw she had a banking background. A dunce.
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| Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 29 Jul 24 8.37pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
So you do think that Sugar should get the allowance? Yes. But he doesn’t have to take his State Pension and if he doesn’t take his State Pension then the system should be able to identify that he doesn’t take the Winter Heating Allowance too. One should trigger the other, so there should be a common sense solution already in place. It seems your argument is concentrating on the small percentage of ‘rich’ people potentially getting the payment rather than the bulk of those in need in the bottom half of those in the middle.
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| georgenorman 29 Jul 24 8.46pm |
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Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines
Yes. But he doesn’t have to take his State Pension and if he doesn’t take his State Pension then the system should be able to identify that he doesn’t take the Winter Heating Allowance too. One should trigger the other, so there should be a common sense solution already in place. It seems your argument is concentrating on the small percentage of ‘rich’ people potentially getting the payment rather than the bulk of those in need in the bottom half of those in the middle. He has paid for his state pension in National Insurance contributions, he is entitled to it. There should not be fuel allowances at all. People in need of benefits should get them through the benefits system.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Jul 24 9.06pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Orpie you may have jumped in a bit quick I’m afraid. I reckon that tax is a coming with it being the tories fault! It always was going to be going up. That has been obvious for some time and would be true of whoever was in government. I said just that well before the election. No party will tell the whole truth prior to an election if the news is bad. They fudge. Both major parties did. It’s not all the Tories fault. Putin invading Ukraine isn’t their responsibility. Nor was the pandemic and the heavy strain it put on our, and the world’s economy. Some was though. Brexit was their fault. Something that could, and should, have been avoided by being braver in facing down the threat from UKIP and putting country before party. Truss was their fault. Allowing the membership to choose the PM and not the elected MPs was a crass mistake. One that looks like it’s going to be repeated.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Jul 24 9.15pm |
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Originally posted by Runningman
Winter fuel allowance for pensioners cut. Unless in receipt of pensions credit. Let’s hit the poorest to fund above inflation pay rises for public sector workers. Talk about levelling up ! It will impact me. As it should. I anticipate my income as a retired person to decrease quite significantly in the coming years. It won’t impact my standard of living, which is modest and affordable. It will though impact the inheritance I will leave behind me. Better that than tax the young or needy.
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