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PalazioVecchio south pole 25 Jun 24 1.27pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle antisemitism existed long before Hitler but no one else took their hatred to the extremes of the Nazis. the Jews have been ethnically cleansed out of most of North Africa. And Hitler had precious little to do with it. getting back to the topic of the OP. In my opinion a Mr Cohen from North London IS English. If he speaks like a Nigel, that is. The same as Leopold Bloom was an Irishman. Now both places have the same tribe that caused all the AntiSemitism in North africa. All stirring up the same trouble on your street. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
antisemitism existed long before Hitler but no one else took their hatred to the extremes of the Nazis.

the Jews have been ethnically cleansed out of most of North Africa. And Hitler had precious little to do with it.

getting back to the topic of the OP. In my opinion a Mr Cohen from North London IS English. If he speaks like a Nigel, that is. The same as Leopold Bloom was an Irishman.

Now both places have the same tribe that caused all the AntiSemitism in North africa. All stirring up the same trouble on your street.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 25 Jun 24 10.49pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio the Jews have been ethnically cleansed out of most of North Africa. And Hitler had precious little to do with it. getting back to the topic of the OP. In my opinion a Mr Cohen from North London IS English. If he speaks like a Nigel, that is. The same as Leopold Bloom was an Irishman. Now both places have the same tribe that caused all the AntiSemitism in North africa. All stirring up the same trouble on your street. Different issue but one that has to be addressed. Antisemitism is never acceptable. Anti Zionism is understandable. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 25 Jun 24 10.49pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

the Jews have been ethnically cleansed out of most of North Africa. And Hitler had precious little to do with it.

getting back to the topic of the OP. In my opinion a Mr Cohen from North London IS English. If he speaks like a Nigel, that is. The same as Leopold Bloom was an Irishman.

Now both places have the same tribe that caused all the AntiSemitism in North africa. All stirring up the same trouble on your street.

Different issue but one that has to be addressed. Antisemitism is never acceptable. Anti Zionism is understandable.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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HKOwen Hong Kong 26 Jun 24 10.33am
"Zionism refers to the movement to create a Jewish state in the Middle East, roughly corresponding to the historical land of Israel, and thus support for the modern state of Israel. Anti-Zionism opposes that." Anti Zionism opposes the existence of Israel per the above definition from a respected source. Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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Hong Kong 26 Jun 24 10.33am

"Zionism refers to the movement to create a Jewish state in the Middle East, roughly corresponding to the historical land of Israel, and thus support for the modern state of Israel. Anti-Zionism opposes that."

Anti Zionism opposes the existence of Israel per the above definition from a respected source.

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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Stirlingsays 26 Jun 24 12.09pm
Originally posted by HKOwen "Zionism refers to the movement to create a Jewish state in the Middle East, roughly corresponding to the historical land of Israel, and thus support for the modern state of Israel. Anti-Zionism opposes that." Anti Zionism opposes the existence of Israel per the above definition from a respected source. The only time that the Jews can claim an historic Israel is during the reign of King David, where the kingdom of Israel included the land from the Euphrates River in the east to the River of Egypt in the west.....even that isn't quite Israel now. However, this was a very brief period of time in the history of Palestine and it's been ruled and populated by Muslims and their regimes...Romans and Europeans for far far longer than Jews had a state there. Also I think the point should be made that being anti zionist isn't as cut and dried as some might think. There are declared anti zionists living in Israel itself and some are in its parliament. Zionism is nationalism and you can be Jewish and anti Jewish nationalism just as you can be British and anti nationalism. Personally I'm a kind of nationalist, so I understand zionism. However, the question of Israel is a bit different because they removed 700, 000 people who had been living there for centuries.....they killed British soldiers to get us to clear off and then ethnically cleansed Palestinians to remove them as well. I'm for nationalism....I just think that it has to be your land in the first place......The whole Israeli/Palestinian question doesn't really do that for me. When you look at the DNA of the Palestinians they are genetically closer to the Jews of King David's time than the Jews of 2000 years of European add-mixture who are the bulk of Zionism. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Jun 2024 12.11pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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26 Jun 24 12.09pm

Originally posted by HKOwen

Anti Zionism opposes the existence of Israel per the above definition from a respected source.

The only time that the Jews can claim an historic Israel is during the reign of King David, where the kingdom of Israel included the land from the Euphrates River in the east to the River of Egypt in the west.....even that isn't quite Israel now.

However, this was a very brief period of time in the history of Palestine and it's been ruled and populated by Muslims and their regimes...Romans and Europeans for far far longer than Jews had a state there.

Also I think the point should be made that being anti zionist isn't as cut and dried as some might think. There are declared anti zionists living in Israel itself and some are in its parliament. Zionism is nationalism and you can be Jewish and anti Jewish nationalism just as you can be British and anti nationalism.

Personally I'm a kind of nationalist, so I understand zionism. However, the question of Israel is a bit different because they removed 700, 000 people who had been living there for centuries.....they killed British soldiers to get us to clear off and then ethnically cleansed Palestinians to remove them as well.

I'm for nationalism....I just think that it has to be your land in the first place......The whole Israeli/Palestinian question doesn't really do that for me.

When you look at the DNA of the Palestinians they are genetically closer to the Jews of King David's time than the Jews of 2000 years of European add-mixture who are the bulk of Zionism.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Jun 2024 12.11pm)

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PalazioVecchio south pole 26 Jun 24 4.48pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays When you look at the DNA of the Palestinians they are genetically closer to the Jews of King David's time than the Jews of 2000 years of European add-mixture who are the bulk of Zionism. Correct. And the Yiddish language is a good metaphor for this. Very German , compared to anything on the Eastern MED. Modern Israeli's have mostly expunged the Yiddish language, but its more difficult to expunge all the European DNA. Similarly, Ulster Unionists have mostly British DNA ( with some Huguenot ) but they also have a gone a bit native with the Irish. The clue was in the Surnames long before DNA evidence became a thing. Both Israeli's and Unionists like to claim 'we woz here first' with the latter claiming to be descended from the Dal Riada of the 5th Century Irish invasion of Western Scotland. And both groups like to eye ( respectively) the Palestinians and Irish Catholics as tourists, blow-ins and foreigners. Which is a bit rich. getting back to the OP. Who is English ? every identity must also deal with its dark side, its baddies. Peter Sutcliffe, Jimmy Savile, Myra Hindley and the Whitechapel Ripper....must all be included into the pot. It is sobering and focuses the mind on the Yin and Yang of identity politics. You cannot have a Shakespeare without also an Ian Huntley. Such is Every identity. anyway, getting back to the good stuff. Below is an Englishman without a single English chromosome..... [Link] Edited by PalazioVecchio (26 Jun 2024 6.10pm) Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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south pole 26 Jun 24 4.48pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

When you look at the DNA of the Palestinians they are genetically closer to the Jews of King David's time than the Jews of 2000 years of European add-mixture who are the bulk of Zionism.

Correct. And the Yiddish language is a good metaphor for this. Very German , compared to anything on the Eastern MED. Modern Israeli's have mostly expunged the Yiddish language, but its more difficult to expunge all the European DNA.

Similarly, Ulster Unionists have mostly British DNA ( with some Huguenot ) but they also have a gone a bit native with the Irish. The clue was in the Surnames long before DNA evidence became a thing.

Both Israeli's and Unionists like to claim 'we woz here first' with the latter claiming to be descended from the Dal Riada of the 5th Century Irish invasion of Western Scotland. And both groups like to eye ( respectively) the Palestinians and Irish Catholics as tourists, blow-ins and foreigners. Which is a bit rich.

getting back to the OP. Who is English ? every identity must also deal with its dark side, its baddies. Peter Sutcliffe, Jimmy Savile, Myra Hindley and the Whitechapel Ripper....must all be included into the pot. It is sobering and focuses the mind on the Yin and Yang of identity politics. You cannot have a Shakespeare without also an Ian Huntley. Such is Every identity.

anyway, getting back to the good stuff. Below is an Englishman without a single English chromosome.....

[Link]

Edited by PalazioVecchio (26 Jun 2024 6.10pm)

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HKOwen Hong Kong 26 Jun 24 10.47pm
Originally posted by HKOwen "Zionism refers to the movement to create a Jewish state in the Middle East, roughly corresponding to the historical land of Israel, and thus support for the modern state of Israel. Anti-Zionism opposes that." Anti Zionism opposes the existence of Israel per the above definition from a respected source. My point is, if you are anti-zionist which by the definition I have quoted means you do not accept the existence of the state of Israel, is that position " understandable ". Only if you think chanting " from the river to the sea " is ok Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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Hong Kong 26 Jun 24 10.47pm

Originally posted by HKOwen

Anti Zionism opposes the existence of Israel per the above definition from a respected source.

My point is, if you are anti-zionist which by the definition I have quoted means you do not accept the existence of the state of Israel, is that position " understandable ".

Only if you think chanting " from the river to the sea " is ok

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Stirlingsays 26 Jun 24 11.04pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio Correct. And the Yiddish language is a good metaphor for this. Very German , compared to anything on the Eastern MED. Modern Israeli's have mostly expunged the Yiddish language, but its more difficult to expunge all the European DNA. Similarly, Ulster Unionists have mostly British DNA ( with some Huguenot ) but they also have a gone a bit native with the Irish. The clue was in the Surnames long before DNA evidence became a thing. Both Israeli's and Unionists like to claim 'we woz here first' with the latter claiming to be descended from the Dal Riada of the 5th Century Irish invasion of Western Scotland. And both groups like to eye ( respectively) the Palestinians and Irish Catholics as tourists, blow-ins and foreigners. Which is a bit rich. getting back to the OP. Who is English ? every identity must also deal with its dark side, its baddies. Peter Sutcliffe, Jimmy Savile, Myra Hindley and the Whitechapel Ripper....must all be included into the pot. It is sobering and focuses the mind on the Yin and Yang of identity politics. You cannot have a Shakespeare without also an Ian Huntley. Such is Every identity. anyway, getting back to the good stuff. Below is an Englishman without a single English chromosome..... [Link] Edited by PalazioVecchio (26 Jun 2024 6.10pm) I would be interested to know how much British DNA is in the EIRE population as well, I suspect that they are significantly mixed. Personally I've grown more towards accepting that northern Europeans of any stripe are my brothers and sisters. Certainly during this current political betrayal of Europe by its leaders I feel any heightened fixation on our differences is just mana for Europe's enemies......Which are internal far more than external. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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26 Jun 24 11.04pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

Similarly, Ulster Unionists have mostly British DNA ( with some Huguenot ) but they also have a gone a bit native with the Irish. The clue was in the Surnames long before DNA evidence became a thing.

anyway, getting back to the good stuff. Below is an Englishman without a single English chromosome.....

[Link]

Edited by PalazioVecchio (26 Jun 2024 6.10pm)

I would be interested to know how much British DNA is in the EIRE population as well, I suspect that they are significantly mixed.

Personally I've grown more towards accepting that northern Europeans of any stripe are my brothers and sisters. Certainly during this current political betrayal of Europe by its leaders I feel any heightened fixation on our differences is just mana for Europe's enemies......Which are internal far more than external.

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Stirlingsays 26 Jun 24 11.10pm
Originally posted by HKOwen My point is, if you are anti-zionist which by the definition I have quoted means you do not accept the existence of the state of Israel, is that position " understandable ". Only if you think chanting " from the river to the sea " is ok I certainly believe the creation of the state of Israel was a very poor and damaging decision. Its original intent was nothing like we see today. This was Einstein's opinion at the time as well. However today, there are way over ten million Jews in Israel so its destruction would be a geocide......no one with ethics supports geocides. It's a problem I wish the west would stay away from. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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26 Jun 24 11.10pm

Originally posted by HKOwen

My point is, if you are anti-zionist which by the definition I have quoted means you do not accept the existence of the state of Israel, is that position " understandable ".

Only if you think chanting " from the river to the sea " is ok

I certainly believe the creation of the state of Israel was a very poor and damaging decision. Its original intent was nothing like we see today.

This was Einstein's opinion at the time as well.

However today, there are way over ten million Jews in Israel so its destruction would be a geocide......no one with ethics supports geocides.

It's a problem I wish the west would stay away from.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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HKOwen Hong Kong 26 Jun 24 11.55pm
It's very complicated and we don't have a time machine. Einstein's opinion on the matter for me is irrelevant. I don't like people condoning anti-zionism as being understandable, IMO it's anti-smetism lite. Not ready to be a full Jew hater, ease your way in by being an anti zionist. For me a two state solution with security for all stakeholders is the only possible solution, it would need the extremists on both sides to evaporate Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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Hong Kong 26 Jun 24 11.55pm

It's very complicated and we don't have a time machine.

Einstein's opinion on the matter for me is irrelevant.

I don't like people condoning anti-zionism as being understandable, IMO it's anti-smetism lite.

Not ready to be a full Jew hater, ease your way in by being an anti zionist.

For me a two state solution with security for all stakeholders is the only possible solution, it would need the extremists on both sides to evaporate

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Stirlingsays 27 Jun 24 2.45am
Originally posted by HKOwen It's very complicated and we don't have a time machine. Einstein's opinion on the matter for me is irrelevant. I don't like people condoning anti-zionism as being understandable, IMO it's anti-smetism lite. Not ready to be a full Jew hater, ease your way in by being an anti zionist. For me a two state solution with security for all stakeholders is the only possible solution, it would need the extremists on both sides to evaporate You are free to like or dislike what you want I suppose. You certainly seem to want to reduce complexity down to labels. Personally I don't feel strongly enough about who wins what in the middle east. I just observe the history and actions and give an opinion. Personally I don't see how a two state solution could be possible. Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Jun 2024 8.33am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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27 Jun 24 2.45am

Originally posted by HKOwen

It's very complicated and we don't have a time machine.

Einstein's opinion on the matter for me is irrelevant.

I don't like people condoning anti-zionism as being understandable, IMO it's anti-smetism lite.

Not ready to be a full Jew hater, ease your way in by being an anti zionist.

For me a two state solution with security for all stakeholders is the only possible solution, it would need the extremists on both sides to evaporate

You are free to like or dislike what you want I suppose.

You certainly seem to want to reduce complexity down to labels. Personally I don't feel strongly enough about who wins what in the middle east. I just observe the history and actions and give an opinion.

Personally I don't see how a two state solution could be possible.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Jun 2024 8.33am)

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PalazioVecchio south pole 27 Jun 24 1.14pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I would be interested to know how much British DNA is in the EIRE population as well, I suspect that they are significantly mixed. Personally I've grown more towards accepting that northern Europeans of any stripe are my brothers and sisters. Certainly during this current political betrayal of Europe by its leaders I feel any heightened fixation on our differences is just mana for Europe's enemies......Which are internal far more than external. correct. Paddy Murphy from Croydon is a Nigel. And Nigel Smith from Dublin is a Paddy. The accent is the big giveaway. DNA is only slightly involved in the decision making. The Beatles actually had more irish DNA than U2. There seems to be a deliberate attempt to get Irish Catholic to fight with protestant.....orchestrated by WEF, Soros, the EU and embodied by Sinn Fein the Traitor party. Formerly the fight was championed by the Vatican, and now taken up by other puppetmasters. always banging on and on about a 'United Ireland' when most Brits AND irish are really not that enthusiastic. And nearly a million Orangemen are vehemently opposed to the idea. the EU doing 'divide and conquer'.....just like the old Romans did. get the Catholics and Prods fighting each other so that nobody will concentrate on the Muslim Grooming Gangs. Edited by PalazioVecchio (27 Jun 2024 1.28pm) Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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south pole 27 Jun 24 1.14pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I would be interested to know how much British DNA is in the EIRE population as well, I suspect that they are significantly mixed.

correct. Paddy Murphy from Croydon is a Nigel. And Nigel Smith from Dublin is a Paddy. The accent is the big giveaway. DNA is only slightly involved in the decision making. The Beatles actually had more irish DNA than U2.

There seems to be a deliberate attempt to get Irish Catholic to fight with protestant.....orchestrated by WEF, Soros, the EU and embodied by Sinn Fein the Traitor party. Formerly the fight was championed by the Vatican, and now taken up by other puppetmasters.

always banging on and on about a 'United Ireland' when most Brits AND irish are really not that enthusiastic. And nearly a million Orangemen are vehemently opposed to the idea.

the EU doing 'divide and conquer'.....just like the old Romans did.

get the Catholics and Prods fighting each other so that nobody will concentrate on the Muslim Grooming Gangs.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (27 Jun 2024 1.28pm)

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PalazioVecchio south pole 27 Jun 24 1.16pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays You are free to like or dislike what you want I suppose. You certainly seem to want to reduce complexity down to labels. Personally I don't feel strongly enough about who wins what in the middle east. I just observe the history and actions and give an opinion. Personally I don't see how a two state solution could be possible. Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Jun 2024 8.33am) could it be any worse than the last 80 years ? getting back to the OP, it is quite interesting the stereotypes foreigners say about us ( or anybody for that matter ). What is English ? ask a Pole, Turk, Spaniard, Yank, other. Edited by PalazioVecchio (27 Jun 2024 3.52pm) Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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south pole 27 Jun 24 1.16pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You are free to like or dislike what you want I suppose.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Jun 2024 8.33am)

could it be any worse than the last 80 years ?

getting back to the OP, it is quite interesting the stereotypes foreigners say about us ( or anybody for that matter ).

What is English ? ask a Pole, Turk, Spaniard, Yank, other.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (27 Jun 2024 3.52pm)

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