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 cryrst  The garden of England 28 May 24 7.05pm |
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Originally posted by orpingtoneagle
Because in a lot of cases it's only the wealthy who can afford to send their kids there. Top end Eton and Harrow cost £50k a year and locally Whitgift or Trinity are about half of that. Add in all the extras like uniform sports kit exotic trips etc it can be expensive. But as I said earlier my issue is with the parts of this sector that are a commercial business. Where someone takes the profits. You run a nursery (and god knows they are bloody expensive) and you pay VAT. Run a Prep school and hey presto you are a charity! Also another perk is that if you 'donate,' to your private school (charity,) you do it under gift aid and so that's an extra little tax perk. And it affects you and me in what way? If all private kids got what they are entitled to in a state school as in a place the country would need about a 1000 more schools. Would the tax perks these people are getting pay for that with the 50 k teachers and 20k ancillary and associated full time staff.
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steeleye20  Croydon 28 May 24 7.26pm |
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Another boost for pensioners. Tories to provide free bicycles to senior citizens provided they are accompanied by their parents.
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HKOwen  Hong Kong 28 May 24 11.14pm |
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If Conservatives banning " rip off " degrees and supporting apprenticeships is going to close down visa scam schools and actually give young people skills then that is a policy I would support. If UK people want to waste three years getting a useless degree at their own cost then they should be free to do so Edited by HKOwen (28 May 2024 11.19pm)
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| Stirlingsays 29 May 24 2.47am |
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Keir Starmer has zero principles. When will we get politicians worthy of votes?
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| Badger11 Beckenham 29 May 24 7.48am |
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Labour has made their announcement on the NHS. They plan to reduce waiting times to 18weeks within 5 years. I think that tells us just how sorry a state the NHS is in and how weak our politicians are. 18 weeks in 5 years is hardly a Kennedy moonshot. The Tories are no better.
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| HKOwen Hong Kong 29 May 24 9.15am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Labour has made their announcement on the NHS. They plan to reduce waiting times to 18weeks within 5 years. I think that tells us just how sorry a state the NHS is in and how weak our politicians are. 18 weeks in 5 years is hardly a Kennedy moonshot. The Tories are no better. Hope they don't use the Welsh model
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| Badger11 Beckenham 29 May 24 10.04am |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
Hope they don't use the Welsh model Yup often forgotten in all the Tory bashing but both SNP Scotland and Labour Wales NHS' are just as bad as Tory England if not worse. Bevan took on the vest interests when the NHS was formed. Those vested interests today claim they are the guardians of the NHS. Sadly I see no Bevan on the horizon to make radical changes. We do not need to privatise the NHS but radical change is required which will require the banging of heads. The Tories have had 14 years of doing nothing but throw money at the NHS (despite what labour say). Labour's plans are pretty feeble we can only hope that once in power they grow a pair.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 29 May 24 11.18am |
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Originally posted by The Dolphin
If people stop sending their kids there, then the cost to the taxpayer will be greater than the "tax break" as you call it. No need to stop sending their kids there… they just need to cancel the Netflix subscriptions and stop buying soy lattes and avocados.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 29 May 24 11.21am |
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On a serious note, if you actually support taxpayer money being used to subsidise the richest in society being able to send their kids to a better school than you can afford, I think you can only be described as partaking in a quite staggering display of boot-licking.
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| Stirlingsays 29 May 24 11.56am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Yup often forgotten in all the Tory bashing but both SNP Scotland and Labour Wales NHS' are just as bad as Tory England if not worse. Bevan took on the vest interests when the NHS was formed. Those vested interests today claim they are the guardians of the NHS. Sadly I see no Bevan on the horizon to make radical changes. We do not need to privatise the NHS but radical change is required which will require the banging of heads. The Tories have had 14 years of doing nothing but throw money at the NHS (despite what labour say). Labour's plans are pretty feeble we can only hope that once in power they grow a pair. It's a cogent point. In this age the cultural zeitgeist makes everything subservient to 'experts'.....as if 'experts' in their particular fields are objective entities with no self serving aspect to them. This is despite history being replete with many instances of showing the opposite, aviation, cars, drugs (no one should ever forget thalidomide...or the person in America who refused to pass its registration and blindly accept 'expert opinion'...she saved countless lives and misery). But autistic levels of objectivity and morality exist but are not common place in the world. Those people usually suffer negative consequences rather than reward and aren't recognised until later. The age old motto that is right in most instances is 'follow the money'. Plato had it right thousands of years ago in 'The Republic'. For any governing system to work in the interests of its governed the rulers must not receive any money. The implications are unfortunate....your rulers must be so rich to begin with that avarice can't sway them.....it appears the only realistic solution. The donor class must be ripped out of politics and lobbyist rules strictly enforced. Oh and your leaders need to be for those they govern....not an international elite class like Sunak and Starmer....not forgetting that Starmer prefers Davos to Parliament. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 May 2024 11.58am)
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| Stirlingsays 29 May 24 12.02pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
On a serious note, if you actually support taxpayer money being used to subsidise the richest in society being able to send their kids to a better school than you can afford, I think you can only be described as partaking in a quite staggering display of boot-licking. The concept of sending the brightest to elite education isn't wrong. It's right: society declines without the brightest being matched to the most demanding jobs. Where I would agree is that the model we have is a corrupted version of what should be that intent. It's yet another example of how money ruins outcomes. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 May 2024 12.03pm)
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| Stirlingsays 29 May 24 12.09pm |
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In fact the British empire wouldn't have existed without the form of elite education that our distant forebears crafted....with its admitted flaws. They took lessons from Sparta, ancient Greece and Rome to produce the people who put this island in charge of the largest empire ever known. However, the people we now have leading universities are pathetic and frankly aren't worthy of their positions and they have been producing people enabling our decline for many decades. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 May 2024 12.09pm)
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