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palace chick South Croydon 24 Mar 23 9.29am | |
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Originally posted by fishbone
Yes i watch the training video and I couldn’t see olise! Isn’t Olise with the French U21’s?
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doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 24 Mar 23 9.46am | |
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Originally posted by palace chick
Isn’t Olise with the French U21’s?
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Eaglecoops CR3 24 Mar 23 10.15am | |
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For a bit of balance compared to some of the recent cheery posts let’s look at the last time Roy arrived and our first 11 games which is what we now have left to play. Hodgson lost 6 out of the first 11 matches in that 17/18 season, total return was Played 11, won 1, drew 4, lost 6, total points 7 If you look at the team he had at his disposal then the midfield choices were Puncheon, McArthur, Cabaye, Milivojevic, Loftus-Cheek, Schlupp, Townsend. His teams also had Zaha, Speroni, PVA, Ward, Sako, Dann, Tomkins, Fosu-Mensah Everyone saying he had no players to work with but I look at that squad and the current one and there is not much difference. Admittedly, that year we went on to play well and his teams looked in control a lot of the time. At the end of the 19/20 season however he lost 7 out of the last 11 matches, total return was Played 11, won 3, drew 1, lost 7, total points 10 Then if we look at his last season with us in 20/21 total return was Played 11, won 3, drew 1, lost 7, total points 10 My point in all this is that during Hodgson’s last appointment with us, we started badly (not a good omen) and twice finished a season with just 10 points. Will 7-10 points keep us up? I’m not so sure. Some will bang on that we have an easier run in than the seasons referred to above but the facts are the facts and it shows we don’t end seasons well under Hodgson and he didn’t start well with us either as the team struggled to get used to his tactics. I’m not saying he won’t do it and he might be able to turn us around but I’m not positive at all about it as I don’t see the character in the team compared to previous years.
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eaglesdare 24 Mar 23 12.24pm | |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
For a bit of balance compared to some of the recent cheery posts let’s look at the last time Roy arrived and our first 11 games which is what we now have left to play. Hodgson lost 6 out of the first 11 matches in that 17/18 season, total return was Played 11, won 1, drew 4, lost 6, total points 7 If you look at the team he had at his disposal then the midfield choices were Puncheon, McArthur, Cabaye, Milivojevic, Loftus-Cheek, Schlupp, Townsend. His teams also had Zaha, Speroni, PVA, Ward, Sako, Dann, Tomkins, Fosu-Mensah Everyone saying he had no players to work with but I look at that squad and the current one and there is not much difference. Admittedly, that year we went on to play well and his teams looked in control a lot of the time. At the end of the 19/20 season however he lost 7 out of the last 11 matches, total return was Played 11, won 3, drew 1, lost 7, total points 10 Then if we look at his last season with us in 20/21 total return was Played 11, won 3, drew 1, lost 7, total points 10 My point in all this is that during Hodgson’s last appointment with us, we started badly (not a good omen) and twice finished a season with just 10 points. Will 7-10 points keep us up? I’m not so sure. Some will bang on that we have an easier run in than the seasons referred to above but the facts are the facts and it shows we don’t end seasons well under Hodgson and he didn’t start well with us either as the team struggled to get used to his tactics. I’m not saying he won’t do it and he might be able to turn us around but I’m not positive at all about it as I don’t see the character in the team compared to previous years. You make some good points. I would like to point out however that when we ended seasons under Roy we had our flip flops on! We were well safe! Nothing to play for....I can't remember a relegation run in under Roy the last time I remember was under big sam when we sealed survival against hull city 4-0. Interesting to point out tho after our extended break due to lockdowns we couldn't win another game....maybe we won 1? we also had an extended break due to the world cup just gone and we can't win a game except 1 I think!
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Den1923 24 Mar 23 4.29pm | |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
For a bit of balance compared to some of the recent cheery posts let’s look at the last time Roy arrived and our first 11 games which is what we now have left to play. Hodgson lost 6 out of the first 11 matches in that 17/18 season, total return was Played 11, won 1, drew 4, lost 6, total points 7 If you look at the team he had at his disposal then the midfield choices were Puncheon, McArthur, Cabaye, Milivojevic, Loftus-Cheek, Schlupp, Townsend. His teams also had Zaha, Speroni, PVA, Ward, Sako, Dann, Tomkins, Fosu-Mensah Everyone saying he had no players to work with but I look at that squad and the current one and there is not much difference. Admittedly, that year we went on to play well and his teams looked in control a lot of the time. At the end of the 19/20 season however he lost 7 out of the last 11 matches, total return was Played 11, won 3, drew 1, lost 7, total points 10 Then if we look at his last season with us in 20/21 total return was Played 11, won 3, drew 1, lost 7, total points 10 My point in all this is that during Hodgson’s last appointment with us, we started badly (not a good omen) and twice finished a season with just 10 points. Will 7-10 points keep us up? I’m not so sure. Some will bang on that we have an easier run in than the seasons referred to above but the facts are the facts and it shows we don’t end seasons well under Hodgson and he didn’t start well with us either as the team struggled to get used to his tactics. I’m not saying he won’t do it and he might be able to turn us around but I’m not positive at all about it as I don’t see the character in the team compared to previous years. Interesting and worrying but also some hope as his career stats say we may win 3 and draw 2 of our remaining games and lose 4 with one game that could go either way but on balance a win or draw is more likely, than a loss, so our final points total may end up around 27 + 11-14 which may give a final total 38-41 which might save us, however depends on the team and how they play. Hopefully, they will hit the ground running as they will need to because any opponent below us will be fighting for their lives just like us hopefully!
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Palace Old Geezer Midhurst 24 Mar 23 4.55pm | |
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None of us want to see the return of the style of football we endured towards the end of Roy's last stint, but I am certain we will see a huge shift when Leicester visit. We also know that, in bringing him in, SP was looking for a short term fix to see us stay in the Prem next term. It's not a long term appointment and unlikely to become one. Unfortunately PV lost his way but I am heartened that Paddy will be a key member of the coaching staff and, as others have said, judging by the spirit on the training ground the players will respond positively. Come on you Palace and good luck Roy!
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PatrickA London 24 Mar 23 7.34pm | |
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Football is such a strange game.
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southnorwoodhill 24 Mar 23 7.44pm | |
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Originally posted by PatrickA
Football is such a strange game. Hearsay? I'd say PV was justified in sidelining them, both lazy and contributing little to the overall effort. I do wonder how Roy is going to approach the first all important game - no time for shirkers or those who won't do exactly as instructed. Should be interesting.
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Booted Eagle Bristol 24 Mar 23 9.15pm | |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
For a bit of balance compared to some of the recent cheery posts let’s look at the last time Roy arrived and our first 11 games which is what we now have left to play. Hodgson lost 6 out of the first 11 matches in that 17/18 season, total return was Played 11, won 1, drew 4, lost 6, total points 7 If you look at the team he had at his disposal then the midfield choices were Puncheon, McArthur, Cabaye, Milivojevic, Loftus-Cheek, Schlupp, Townsend. His teams also had Zaha, Speroni, PVA, Ward, Sako, Dann, Tomkins, Fosu-Mensah Everyone saying he had no players to work with but I look at that squad and the current one and there is not much difference. Admittedly, that year we went on to play well and his teams looked in control a lot of the time. At the end of the 19/20 season however he lost 7 out of the last 11 matches, total return was Played 11, won 3, drew 1, lost 7, total points 10 Then if we look at his last season with us in 20/21 total return was Played 11, won 3, drew 1, lost 7, total points 10 My point in all this is that during Hodgson’s last appointment with us, we started badly (not a good omen) and twice finished a season with just 10 points. Will 7-10 points keep us up? I’m not so sure. Some will bang on that we have an easier run in than the seasons referred to above but the facts are the facts and it shows we don’t end seasons well under Hodgson and he didn’t start well with us either as the team struggled to get used to his tactics. I’m not saying he won’t do it and he might be able to turn us around but I’m not positive at all about it as I don’t see the character in the team compared to previous years. His stats were won 2 (Chelsea and Stoke), drew 4 and lost 5 giving 10 points for his first season. The next 4 games we won 2 and drew 2.
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Dubai Eagle 25 Mar 23 6.49am | |
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Also it could be argued that this time of joining us - Originally posted by Booted Eagle
His stats were won 2 (Chelsea and Stoke), drew 4 and lost 5 giving 10 points for his first season. The next 4 games we won 2 and drew 2.
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cryrst The garden of England 25 Mar 23 7.14am | |
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I was anti this but now I’ve thought about it I think Roy might keep us up. I think PV would have taken us down. Most players know him and I’m sure respect him. 50 years in the game must count for something tactically and the fear factor could be taken from the players now, knowing that it’s his head on the block.
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The Dolphin 25 Mar 23 8.03am | |
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Originally posted by sydtheeagle
If I'm honest, I'm just bored with the whole Wilf saga right now. One of, if not the greatest player to ever wear Palace shirt, his legend status is entirely secure but he's run his contract down (as is his right) and the protracted manner of his impending departure has done us no favours. Best the speculation ends and, with luck, Wilf knuckles down and cements his status by leaving on a high note. I'd have no issues if he removed the distraction by announcing immediately "these are my eleven games at Palace and I'm going to go out with a bang." It's time the club and the player both moved on. Wilf has neither said or done anything detrimental. Edited by The Dolphin (25 Mar 2023 8.03am)
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