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NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 28 May 24 9.41am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

I really have no idea how much it would cost to buy Textors 45% share holding, dose anyone have a ballpark figure.

There was a club valuation of £750m being talked about in January - a figure questioned by football finance expert Kieran Maquire who called it '' excessive ''.

Forbes currently values the club at £624m.

Both figures seem high to me, but what do i know ?!

 


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palace99 Flag New Mills 28 May 24 10.08am

Originally posted by NEILLO

There was a club valuation of £750m being talked about in January - a figure questioned by football finance expert Kieran Maquire who called it '' excessive ''.

Forbes currently values the club at £624m.

Both figures seem high to me, but what do i know ?!

When Textor originally bought in it was c£87m for about 18% of the club.
That would equate to c£485m for the whole club.

Recently the extra 5% he 'bought' for injecting an extra £20m so that would value Palace as a whole at c£400m.

Therefore this would indicate Palace as a whole is worth between £400m and £500m and so his 45% is worth at least £200m.

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This does create and issue for Palace. Blitzer and Harris don't seem to want to put more into the club, hence the reason Textor was brought in, and Parish is not that wealthy.

 

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doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 28 May 24 10.23am Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by palace99

When Textor originally bought in it was c£87m for about 18% of the club.
That would equate to c£485m for the whole club.

Recently the extra 5% he 'bought' for injecting an extra £20m so that would value Palace as a whole at c£400m.

Therefore this would indicate Palace as a whole is worth between £400m and £500m and so his 45% is worth at least £200m.

[Link]

This does create and issue for Palace. Blitzer and Harris don't seem to want to put more into the club, hence the reason Textor was brought in, and Parish is not that wealthy.


I thought it was for 40% of the club, valuing it at that time at about £200m. He then added c£20m for 5% to make up his 45%. I believe he is looking to get silly money for his 45% now (in the region of £350m+.

Can't see him getting buyers at that price, but what do I know? (not a lot - before anyone else says it).

As for Blitzer and Harris, who else in the PL is there for them to buy? They're not rushing to buy Everton (just yet). Given the increased value of our squad, the impact of Glasner and the possibilities for the future, may be they will decide to buy some of Textor's shares so that, along with Parish, they'll control over 50%. That would bring a measure of stability as they seem to trust Parish to run the club on their behalf.

 

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dreamwaverider Flag London 28 May 24 10.58am Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

I really have no idea how much it would cost to buy Textors 45% share holding, dose anyone have a ballpark figure.

Lanzo, no one in their right mind would buy a minority stake in a private company based on open valuation with only 25% control (e.g. none).

How long is a piece of string?

I think you will find he has a loan to Palace of c.£30m, so he is only in there for say £60m.

If you are seriously interested, I would try say 20m plus take over the loan as well, but your investment at that point goes out of your control as Textor no doubt realises.

Edited by dreamwaverider (28 May 2024 11.00am)

 

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Palace in the Blood Flag 28 May 24 11.14am Send a Private Message to Palace in the Blood Add Palace in the Blood as a friend

I feel that the developments with textor are very unfortunate and could be extremely detrimental to the club stregthening this summer. Textor will not only want to sell his shares but also get repayment on loans he has made which funded our purchases a few years ago - This could be as much as £80 million in broad terms that is the sale of 2 of the crown jewels with no replacement.

Like others I am not 100% in favour of multi club ownership but i suspect other owners knew about this when Textor bought in and were generally in favour. However the big change was when he bought Lyon and now Palace where no longer guaranteed to be the top of the pyramid. In theory the idea of loaning players within the group to get experience and senior match play has to be a good idea. The idea of feeder clubs on an informal and semi formal basis has gone on for years. But the club that benefits most from this is at the top of the pyramid.

O'Brien the rumours i heard last year was he wanted First Team football and refused to go out on loan again. other Clubs in England had offered £1 million for him which for aplayer with his experience at the time was not unreasonable. Lyon bought him for around this sum and we assume Palace have a sell on clause.

The question is what happens now? Can any of the other owners buy him out? Some have suggested Parish but he doesn't have money. The 2 americans do but they will then become majority owners - have been reluctant to invest in past so why would that change? And Parish would no longer control club he may stay as chairman but can be out voted by other 2. In a board of 4 his casting vote as chairman is a real factor.

So what are options ?

1) Voting changes to show ownership. This still in practice gives casting vote to SP as Textor and 1 other still need to vote for something to get a majority. this plus a public softening of the clubs attitude to multi club ownership is in my view is probable outcome as it was SP vote with EPL on this subject without board discussion that started the rift

2)A third party buys Textor shares but will they accept the voting structure so I still think Option 1 is relevant. Then is devil you know better than Devil you don't

3) Club buys back shares so ownership is then split between existing 3 based on current ownership. This is possible but requires club to find money to buy out textor and his loans. This will cause cash flow problems unless Loans are taken out either from a bank or from the American owners.

4) Purchase of textors shares by existing owners either individually or together. Slightly different to 3 as effectively if club buys shares it cancels them. If any 1 individual buys textors shares they in practical terms own club as they have over 50% and can remove and appoint directors etc.

Personally I would go for 1 and come to an agreement with Textor about voting rights and public stance on multi club ownership. Its a fudge and not 100% in favour but in balance it allows things to move forward in stregthening team

 

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Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 28 May 24 11.46am Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Originally posted by dreamwaverider

Lanzo, no one in their right mind would buy a minority stake in a private company based on open valuation with only 25% control (e.g. none).

How long is a piece of string?

I think you will find he has a loan to Palace of c.£30m, so he is only in there for say £60m.

If you are seriously interested, I would try say 20m plus take over the loan as well, but your investment at that point goes out of your control as Textor no doubt realises.

Edited by dreamwaverider (28 May 2024 11.00am)

Agreed, nobody, unless a friend/partner of Parish/Harris/Blitzer is going to buy 45%.

 


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Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 28 May 24 11.53am Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Don't forget Robert Francos 5%, with one of the 4% minor shareholders, could in theory, take a new buyer to 51% and overall owner.

 


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palace99 Flag New Mills 28 May 24 12.03pm

Originally posted by doombear


I thought it was for 40% of the club, valuing it at that time at about £200m. He then added c£20m for 5% to make up his 45%. I believe he is looking to get silly money for his 45% now (in the region of £350m+.

Can't see him getting buyers at that price, but what do I know? (not a lot - before anyone else says it).

As for Blitzer and Harris, who else in the PL is there for them to buy? They're not rushing to buy Everton (just yet). Given the increased value of our squad, the impact of Glasner and the possibilities for the future, may be they will decide to buy some of Textor's shares so that, along with Parish, they'll control over 50%. That would bring a measure of stability as they seem to trust Parish to run the club on their behalf.

i've provided the link explaining the initial purchase - not sure what else i can do!

 

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taylors lovechild Flag 28 May 24 12.04pm Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

I'm sure it's already been said, but there is the possibility that someone might look to buy Textor, Harris, Blitzer, and all the other reindeer's shares to gain a controlling interest. Whatever happens, I just hope that Parish remains in charge.

 

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eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 28 May 24 12.21pm Send a Private Message to eagleman13 Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add eagleman13 as a friend

Originally posted by dreamwaverider

Looks like this is just clickbait clucking.
Not a fan of multi club ownership in Europe.
What will happen if Man City come up against Gerona next season in Champions League? Both owned 100% by Abu Dabi.
Textor has made it clear minority holding is not his beef. This gives our big shareholders a steal when the time comes for Textor to go.

Taken off the bbc's sports page, it's mainly about utd, but mentions all the other clubs with 'conflict of interest' City, Brighton, Villa etc . . . [Link]

 


This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

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doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 28 May 24 1.25pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by palace99

i've provided the link explaining the initial purchase - not sure what else i can do!


If the link is accurate then I would like to know how Textor got from 18% to 40% of the club because I can't remember when and how that was done.

 

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Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 28 May 24 1.43pm Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/owns-crystal-palace-now-much-060000443.html

 


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