It's difficult to ignore when you have a government, official opposition and 3rd and 4th largest parties all in favour of so called Green policies.

Edited by Badger11 (20 Sep 2023 6.21pm)

One more point

Sunak has finally quantified what the proposed net zero actions planned would actually cost people.

Cost of the not fit for purpose heat pumps in older buildings for example , compulsory in new builds fine.

The 2035 target is an improvement.

Boiler replacement incentive good.

Please can we stop pretending that the UK is a leader or influencer in the climate debate.

I don't care that we are not, we have plenty of domestic challenges without fretting over what our place in the world on certain issues might be.

Energy policies have been consistently rubbish for decades from the lack of gas storage capability to Nick Idiot's 2010 pronouncement on nuclear. We could have had working modular nuclear power plants installed and working by now making the net zero debate a side show.

Edited by HKOwen (21 Sep 2023 2.22am)

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

And Sunak with the absolute perfect example of it with his meat tax and 7 bins ramblings.

Sunak has been politically savvy in as much as these policy changes will be popular and difficult for Labour to say they would reverse the u turn.

The public now have a better understanding of the cost of the net zero cult in real terms on real people

Edited by HKOwen (21 Sep 2023 11.31am)

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

Battery will form a big component of the energy mix going forward. There have already been recent big investments in Ireland, for example.

It's not a case of industry not being aware of the solution, it's the pace and scale of it that is the problem. The sheer scale and complexity of this cannot be magically funded, built and solved overnight.

That's without mentioning one of the main holdups in all this, the grid catching up with the need for multiple new types of energy and connection. Those need careful planning, funding and building. You can't just go out and build a battery farm then simply plug it in to the grid like you would a car into a three pin socket.

I do think people need to better understand the complexity and scale of what is being done before offering ridiculous comparisons to domestic (and a singular one at that) solutions.

BTW decentralisation of energy is not a new thing. More people, if they can afford, should be doing similar things to your example. Takes pressure off the grid, and ultimately, is far cheaper for the individual in the long run.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

in 1985 we were told half the population, of the Planet, would be dead of Aids by 1995.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford