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 steeleye20  Croydon 10 Jun 22 4.00pm |
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As I understand it this strike is across the board and includes management involving multiple unions. This seems to be an ideal opportunity for a clear-out. And cancelling the white elephant HS2. It's been a long time since this type of strike was almost routine, they are damaging on every level even to the strikers. The last labour era was free of it and labour must side with the public or be returned to the 70's again.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 10 Jun 22 4.01pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I agree with you on the public duty aspect of essential workers. I'm not sure about the banning of strikes.....should the state be given that kind of power? It feels like something you'd only use as a very last resort under war conditions. I am skeptical when it comes to 'independent arbitration' because of course who decides who sits on that board? Who decides what 'independent' is...who decides and how 'independent are they really....For example, I don't personally think that those who sit on the board deciding upon Politician's pay are all that independent.....then there is the lobbying and corruption issue. Personally I think the answer lies more within correcting the politicisation of the unions. If the union are politically neutral and contained reasonable people focused what that job should actually be then more people are far more likely to listen to them when they raise concerns.....maybe they have them here, I don't know. But didn't Thatcher try to do that? Not sure, there's been plenty of water under the bridge since then. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Jun 2022 3.42pm) I take your point about who impartiality in arbitration but the unions seem happy with ACAS so it can be done.
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| Stirlingsays 10 Jun 22 4.15pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I take your point about who impartiality in arbitration but the unions seem happy with ACAS so it can be done. Noted, though they probably wouldn't like my observation for action far less. Like the BBC, if you had a requirement that employee breakdown had to be between fifty percent right wing and fifty percent left wing then you'd have an organisation that tended towards compromise within itself out of necessity. That organisation would be more likely to only agree when the bosses were actually really out of order....instead of the suspicion that some of us have that they are more interested in politics.
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PalazioVecchio  south pole 10 Jun 22 5.02pm |
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Originally posted by The Dolphin
If it were possible to do I would sack each and everyone of them on the spot and maybe then they would realise that they aren't too badly off after all. agreed. Transport Workers. Overpaid, under-educated and under-worked. Everybody else must be competitive to the real world, or real other people nicking their jobs. Totally unfair.
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BlueJay  UK 10 Jun 22 6.45pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
These two points are obviously linked though - the reason their employment terms are so favourable is they still have some form of leverage to negotiate with industry. From what I've read, RMT are asking for a pay rise in line with inflation and striking against compulsory redundancies - hardly anything mind-boggling. This country has had the second worst wage growth in Europe for 14 years now (second only to Greece). When adjusted for inflation, median wages have less purchasing power now than they did in 2008. Certainly, in a sense I don't blame them for getting the best terms for their workers, but there has to be a limit to these things. It may well be in line with inflation, but will always stand out because it's such a high level to begin with compared to many professions. Your central point that people as a whole are getting underpaid I agree with. In this case though, their strikes will impact many of us, as do ticket prices, which might not be quite as high if their pay was better aligned with other industries.
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 georgenorman 10 Jun 22 7.13pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
As I understand it this strike is across the board and includes management involving multiple unions. This seems to be an ideal opportunity for a clear-out. And cancelling the white elephant HS2. It's been a long time since this type of strike was almost routine, they are damaging on every level even to the strikers. The last labour era was free of it and labour must side with the public or be returned to the 70's again. It doesn't happen very often, but I have to say I totally agree with you on this one.
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| BlueJay UK 10 Jun 22 7.18pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
As I understand it this strike is across the board and includes management involving multiple unions. This seems to be an ideal opportunity for a clear-out. And cancelling the white elephant HS2. It's been a long time since this type of strike was almost routine, they are damaging on every level even to the strikers. The last labour era was free of it and labour must side with the public or be returned to the 70's again.
I do wonder with HS2 to want extent it's become another PPE. As in with the ever ballooning costs how much of it relates to vastly inflated contracts going to 'the right people'. From huge projects to crisis situations, they often just seem to get hijacked as a mechanism to pick our pockets.
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| Stirlingsays 10 Jun 22 10.13pm |
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Apparently society is really concerned about teenagers getting involved with the dissident right....because they feel agreeing with the ideas of previous generations makes them awful people or something. Meanwhile....let's look at what the degenerate progressives are doing. [Tweet Link]
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| Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 10 Jun 22 11.43pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Apparently society is really concerned about teenagers getting involved with the dissident right....because they feel agreeing with the ideas of previous generations makes them awful people or something. Meanwhile....let's look at what the degenerate progressives are doing. [Tweet Link]
f***ING HELL! Wrong on too many levels. What are these degenerates doing to society? I'm appalled by this. Where can I protest?
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| PalazioVecchio south pole 11 Jun 22 1.23am |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
if you do the wrong protest at 'Speakers Corner' you could be another person stabbed.
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| The Dolphin 12 Jun 22 8.41am |
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I know it is the Mail but there is no smoke without fire!
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| cryrst The garden of England 12 Jun 22 8.51am |
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Originally posted by The Dolphin
I know it is the Mail but there is no smoke without fire! If this was found in a book it would surely be in the fictional comedy section given raves reviews for ingenuity. What a farce this is.
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