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 Rudi Hedman  Caterham 31 Oct 17 9.01am |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Not particularly, but to be honest I haven't seen any. If you can give me examples of where this is the case, you might have an argument. What's your opinion of orthodox Jewsish subjugation of women. They don't mix. You can't move in Stamford Hill for them. (I am being ironic here) Being forced to wear those wigs. Why aren't you making a fuss about them? Note how I'm deliberately using the dead cat ,but what about them , technique favoured by those who want to derail a thread because a) they don't have a decent counter argument or b) in this case, because they feel uncomfortable when thinking about the way they might have treated women in the past (notice how here I've made up something that is probably completely untrue, but notice how authoritative it sounds, in order to try to obfuscate things) Edited by nickgusset (31 Oct 2017 1.02am) I abhor dominance of women full stop. I've never abused women, ever. A small pocket of women in one postcode isn't the same as many towns and cities having Muslim only areas because they choose not to integrate, unlike immigrants who have before them, including those from their own religion and countries. Enough wear oppressive (empowering yeah), or ignorant to the Britain they've chosen to live in, attire, yet don't have to if they choose not to mix in in hardly any way. Edited by Rudi Hedman (31 Oct 2017 9.14am)
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Kermit8  Hevon 31 Oct 17 9.03am |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
So if we cross off places where black people live and only look at places where black people don't live, then they are not over represented in knife crime! You should be a detective.
Not quite but if we look at areas in the UK where black people do live, not big populations granted, in the North-East, Scotland, Wales, The West Country, N.Ireland etc then there with regard to knife crime, rape, murder...the nastier crimes..it will be the white community that is over-represented as the perpetrators. I haven't been asked as a law-abiding white person to do something about rough-house or drug related stabbings in Exeter by white people. To speak out against a part of the community I have nothing in common with nor have anything to do with, so I don't see why other decent citizens who happen to have a black skin should be under societal pressure to somehow look inward as if they are somehow partly responsible, to speak out, for crimes committed by others who also happen to have a black skin. It goes for decent moderate muslims too and the terrorists. As if somehow the former are partly responsible for the latter. Well, that's how the ultra right-wing media and internet voices like to play it.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 31 Oct 17 9.12am |
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Is their white postcode stabbings and shootings around Britain in the same way there is in London? I know there's gun and knife crime everywhere linked to drugs but what about being killed just because? Does that happen outside M&S in every town all over the country like Croydon shopping area, which now needs raising to the ground and starting again.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 31 Oct 17 9.25am |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Not particularly, but to be honest I haven't seen any. If you can give me examples of where this is the case, you might have an argument. No they don't work in public facing professions because only a tiny minority will accept talking to someone covered in black cloth through a 3 inch slit for their eyes. It's a completely bizarre way to live your life by choice. Limit yourself to about 5% of what the country you've chosen to live in yet don't have to, offers. Expecting the majority to adjust to that is plain ignorant and no different from people going to their country of origin and disrespecting their customs, and they'll find nothing changes towards it throughout their life and they will have missed out because of it. That's probably why they're viewed as strange, strangely.
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| npn Crowborough 31 Oct 17 9.52am |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
I am not excusing it, I am explaining some reasons as to why some muslim women choose to wear a veil or headscarf.
Seriously, what is it? It makes people nervous. You admitted as much in this thread. do you feel uneasy talking face to face with someone wearing a mask? I know I would. One of the psychologists on here could probably tell you why, but it IS a thing, and it's natural (and in no way racist), and also applies to someone who refuses to look you in the eye when you are talking
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| Stirlingsays 31 Oct 17 12.12pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Not quite but if we look at areas in the UK where black people do live, not big populations granted, in the North-East, Scotland, Wales, The West Country, N.Ireland etc then there with regard to knife crime, rape, murder...the nastier crimes..it will be the white community that is over-represented as the perpetrators. I haven't been asked as a law-abiding white person to do something about rough-house or drug related stabbings in Exeter by white people. To speak out against a part of the community I have nothing in common with nor have anything to do with, so I don't see why other decent citizens who happen to have a black skin should be under societal pressure to somehow look inward as if they are somehow partly responsible, to speak out, for crimes committed by others who also happen to have a black skin. It goes for decent moderate muslims too and the terrorists. As if somehow the former are partly responsible for the latter. Well, that's how the ultra right-wing media and internet voices like to play it. It is certainly true that skin colour and culture are not related. But it is true that culture and behaviour are. Hence if you come from a culture that produces certain negative behaviours you most certainly do need to look inward at why.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 31 Oct 17 12.18pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
It is certainly true that skin colour and culture are not related. But it is true that culture and behaviour are. Hence if you come from a culture that produces certain negative behaviours you most certainly do need to look inward at why. Lack of father figures is without doubt a cause, whether actual fathers, older brothers or uncles, and that's been a problem in Afro Caribbean communities without knowing about African. Didn't they struggle to locate next of kin to the 17 year old victim outside M&S?
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| Kermit8 Hevon 31 Oct 17 12.32pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
It is certainly true that skin colour and culture are not related. But it is true that culture and behaviour are. Hence if you come from a culture that produces certain negative behaviours you most certainly do need to look inward at why. True. Terrible crime stats in places like East Belfast and parts of Glasgow and well on a par with other dodgy places and worse in Glasgow's case. Gang culture and drugs but not a black face in sight.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 31 Oct 17 12.36pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
True. Terrible crime stats in places like East Belfast and parts of Glasgow and well on a par with other dodgy places and worse in Glasgow's case. Gang culture and drugs but not a black face in sight. What are the opportunities like in said places? Last time I looked there were plenty of jobs to start you on the job ladder in London do not quite the despair and disillusionment there might be more of elsewhere? Just asking?
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| Kermit8 Hevon 31 Oct 17 12.40pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
What are the opportunities like in said places? Last time I looked there were plenty of jobs to start you on the job ladder in London do not quite the despair and disillusionment there might be more of elsewhere? Just asking? Have no idea and a fair point but disillusionment is no excuse for stabbings or peddling drugs or violence associated with. Plus, they can always leave such places if they had the gumption. As Stirling says - it's cultural. 700+ crimes near the Shankhill Road for the August just gone. That makes Croydon seem like a Buddhist Retreat. Edited by Kermit8 (31 Oct 2017 12.40pm)
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 Hrolf The Ganger 31 Oct 17 12.43pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
No. It's actually what I say out loud to myself when you post such unfounded nonsense. I've found myself saying it a lot lately haven't I. Now are you going to continue with your patheticness and follow me around the hol, across threads, something which you have been warned about before, and something which you've done from the first day you appeared on here or are you going to give it a rest, because quite frankly , it makes you look a bit pathetic. Your choice. He he, this post is so you. Self righteous indignation, add a pinch of narcissism, finish off with some playing the victim and false accusations. And you have failed to deflect from the simple question that you have been asked regarding your double standards on womens rights.
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| Stirlingsays 31 Oct 17 12.44pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
True. Terrible crime stats in places like East Belfast and parts of Glasgow and well on a par with other dodgy places and worse in Glasgow's case. Gang culture and drugs but not a black face in sight. That's true, crime gangs are in every culture. What's the point of that observation? There are behaviours within Anglo Saxon culture that need better application and direction.....People producing kids and raising them poorly...in many circumstances because they themselves were raised poorly....or the people who run into bad luck and get no support from family nor state. Selfish, irresponsible people produce problems for the rest of us. People who take more than they give in life worsen the well. However, this is a whataboutery argument. Edited by Stirlingsays (31 Oct 2017 12.48pm)
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