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Stirlingsays 17 Jun 17 3.23am
Originally posted by nickgusset No I would rather the locals politicised themselves. I just want justice for those that died. I'm pretty sure everyone on here can agree with that. Edited by nickgusset (16 Jun 2017 10.52pm) Tough, not everyone thinks this is about politics and your 'good' and 'evil' simplistic hater ideology. Who doesn't want justice? We all want that. But you have been a political agitator on here over this tragedy and personally I don't think it's defendable. McDonnell said to get onto the street after this election and I think you are using this event in tandem to encourage just that. It's not ok. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

17 Jun 17 3.23am

Originally posted by nickgusset

No I would rather the locals politicised themselves.

I just want justice for those that died. I'm pretty sure everyone on here can agree with that.

Edited by nickgusset (16 Jun 2017 10.52pm)

Tough, not everyone thinks this is about politics and your 'good' and 'evil' simplistic hater ideology.

Who doesn't want justice? We all want that. But you have been a political agitator on here over this tragedy and personally I don't think it's defendable.

McDonnell said to get onto the street after this election and I think you are using this event in tandem to encourage just that.

It's not ok.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 17 Jun 17 4.29am
Originally posted by orpingtoneagle This is clearly the fault of the Tory government as they have cut council budgets and social funding meaning this block was refurbished on the cheap and a death trap. It is also clearly Labours fault as they championed high rise blocks that are inherently dangerous. We can also blame the Lib dems you know as their pro European policies meant that there was pressure on hoysing as they let almost anyone into the country. As for the Greens? Well they only refurbished the block to try to reduce its evironmental impact. As for SNP, they took all the money meaning this job was done on the cheap. UKIP? Created a ghetto full of folks living in fear... We love a blame game here despite a tragic loss of life but this tragic event has shown how even a diverse financially poor community can join together and deal with this and that our emergency services despite the cuts and pressure are some of the best in the world. Rant over have actually just come away from the scene after volenteering for last couple of days. Really affected me in many different levels Well done mate,,,well done!
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croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 17 Jun 17 4.29am

Originally posted by orpingtoneagle

This is clearly the fault of the Tory government as they have cut council budgets and social funding meaning this block was refurbished on the cheap and a death trap.

It is also clearly Labours fault as they championed high rise blocks that are inherently dangerous.

We can also blame the Lib dems you know as their pro European policies meant that there was pressure on hoysing as they let almost anyone into the country.

As for the Greens? Well they only refurbished the block to try to reduce its evironmental impact.

As for SNP, they took all the money meaning this job was done on the cheap.

UKIP? Created a ghetto full of folks living in fear...

We love a blame game here despite a tragic loss of life but this tragic event has shown how even a diverse financially poor community can join together and deal with this and that our emergency services despite the cuts and pressure are some of the best in the world.

Rant over have actually just come away from the scene after volenteering for last couple of days. Really affected me in many different levels

Well done mate,,,well done!

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 17 Jun 17 4.54am
Originally posted by Michaelawt85 If a cwrtain member can stop with the idiotic comments and everyone else chiming in with political mudslinging . Read this. Poor poor man. I hope the survivors are being supported in more ways than a room being paid for by the council. My heart breaks for him. Your home is where you should feel safe. To be trapped and die there like that. Well. I just don't know how to say how terrifying this is. [Link] Yeah , bit unfair really michaela, as hes not here to defend himself, probably got lost out canvassing!
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croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 17 Jun 17 4.54am

Originally posted by Michaelawt85

If a cwrtain member can stop with the idiotic comments and everyone else chiming in with political mudslinging .

Read this.
Poor poor man.

I hope the survivors are being supported in more ways than a room being paid for by the council. My heart breaks for him. Your home is where you should feel safe. To be trapped and die there like that. Well. I just don't know how to say how terrifying this is.

[Link]

Yeah , bit unfair really michaela, as hes not here to defend himself, probably got lost out canvassing!

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 17 Jun 17 5.42am
Reports from a usually reliable source saying the government have put a D notice on media reporting the real amount of fatalities in the tower, a fireman has apparently said the body count is over 150 and maybe 200, hope he is mistaken, if its a hot afternoon as predicted im steering well clear of ladbroke grove!
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croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 17 Jun 17 5.42am

Reports from a usually reliable source saying the government have put a D notice on media reporting the real amount of fatalities in the tower, a fireman has apparently said the body count is over 150 and maybe 200, hope he is mistaken, if its a hot afternoon as predicted im steering well clear of ladbroke grove!

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 17 Jun 17 9.08am
People should remember that: Council tower blocks were sh1t holes under Labour as well as Conservative. Labour just had higher welfare payments, which also created problems. Regulations are obviously very slack when they're checked, if there's enough to provide safety there to check. A lot of money was spent on Grenfell tower. £10 mil. It was just spent on the wrong thing(s), and I don't just mean the wrong cladding. It seems to me that the incompetence and favouring of wealthier locals from the local council and possible negligence (although the cladding is legal) by the management company are where there's any possible 'blame.' Blaming the Tories is lazy and opportunistic, although there could be an individual or 2 for sitting on reports. Barwell. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 17 Jun 17 9.08am

People should remember that:

Council tower blocks were sh1t holes under Labour as well as Conservative. Labour just had higher welfare payments, which also created problems.

Regulations are obviously very slack when they're checked, if there's enough to provide safety there to check.

A lot of money was spent on Grenfell tower. £10 mil. It was just spent on the wrong thing(s), and I don't just mean the wrong cladding.

It seems to me that the incompetence and favouring of wealthier locals from the local council and possible negligence (although the cladding is legal) by the management company are where there's any possible 'blame.'

Blaming the Tories is lazy and opportunistic, although there could be an individual or 2 for sitting on reports. Barwell.

COYP

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Michaelawt85 Bexley 17 Jun 17 9.28am
Originally posted by croydon proud Reports from a usually reliable source saying the government have put a D notice on media reporting the real amount of fatalities in the tower, a fireman has apparently said the body count is over 150 and maybe 200, hope he is mistaken, if its a hot afternoon as predicted im steering well clear of ladbroke grove! This has been shown as incorrect. The mirror has run an article today refuting these claims. However I do understand why people would think the number is being leaked little by little to 'soften' the blow a bit When I was a young girl my Mother said to me.. You listen here kid you're CPFC
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Michaelawt85

Bexley 17 Jun 17 9.28am

Originally posted by croydon proud

This has been shown as incorrect. The mirror has run an article today refuting these claims. However I do understand why people would think the number is being leaked little by little to 'soften' the blow a bit

When I was a young girl my Mother said to me.. You listen here kid you're CPFC

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Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 17 Jun 17 9.36am
Originally posted by croydon proud Reports from a usually reliable source saying the government have put a D notice on media reporting the real amount of fatalities in the tower, a fireman has apparently said the body count is over 150 and maybe 200, hope he is mistaken, if its a hot afternoon as predicted im steering well clear of ladbroke grove! Ahhh the good old D Notice. Although usually put in place to stop a story getting out in the first place, like riots in privatised prisons. I can't imagine a scenario where the final, awful death toll here doesn't get out. Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)
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Mr_Gristle

In the land of Whelk Eaters 17 Jun 17 9.36am

Originally posted by croydon proud

Ahhh the good old D Notice.

Although usually put in place to stop a story getting out in the first place, like riots in privatised prisons.

I can't imagine a scenario where the final, awful death toll here doesn't get out.

Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

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Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 17 Jun 17 9.38am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman People should remember that: Council tower blocks were sh1t holes under Labour as well as Conservative. Labour just had higher welfare payments, which also created problems. Regulations are obviously very slack when they're checked, if there's enough to provide safety there to check. A lot of money was spent on Grenfell tower. £10 mil. It was just spent on the wrong thing(s), and I don't just mean the wrong cladding. It seems to me that the incompetence and favouring of wealthier locals from the local council and possible negligence (although the cladding is legal) by the management company are where there's any possible 'blame.' Blaming the Tories is lazy and opportunistic, although there could be an individual or 2 for sitting on reports. Barwell. Good post. However, the Commons vote on fire safety regs that Michaela mentioned on this thread is going to be a hard one to ignore. Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)
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Mr_Gristle

In the land of Whelk Eaters 17 Jun 17 9.38am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

People should remember that:

Council tower blocks were sh1t holes under Labour as well as Conservative. Labour just had higher welfare payments, which also created problems.

Regulations are obviously very slack when they're checked, if there's enough to provide safety there to check.

A lot of money was spent on Grenfell tower. £10 mil. It was just spent on the wrong thing(s), and I don't just mean the wrong cladding.

Blaming the Tories is lazy and opportunistic, although there could be an individual or 2 for sitting on reports. Barwell.

Good post. However, the Commons vote on fire safety regs that Michaela mentioned on this thread is going to be a hard one to ignore.

Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 17 Jun 17 9.38am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman People should remember that: Council tower blocks were sh1t holes under Labour as well as Conservative. Labour just had higher welfare payments, which also created problems. Regulations are obviously very slack when they're checked, if there's enough to provide safety there to check. A lot of money was spent on Grenfell tower. £10 mil. It was just spent on the wrong thing(s), and I don't just mean the wrong cladding. It seems to me that the incompetence and favouring of wealthier locals from the local council and possible negligence (although the cladding is legal) by the management company are where there's any possible 'blame.' Blaming the Tories is lazy and opportunistic, although there could be an individual or 2 for sitting on reports. Barwell. Could NOT agree more. Let's wait until the findings of the detailed enquiry before jumping to any conclusions. See the 'Rent-a-mob' are out in force with their Anti-Tory placards etc etc - perhaps absolutely NOT connected to the tragedy but jumping on a darned bandwagon.Probably be riots before the weekend is out. Totally understand that feelings ae running high and that it must be absolutely terrible for those who have lost loved ones or who are missing loved ones but I fear there are those who are using it as an excuse to get across their Anti-Tory viewpoints. Once again, thoughts and prayers go out to those who have been affected by this tragedy.Must be unbearable for them. Edited by Willo (17 Jun 2017 9.39am)
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South coast - west of Brighton. 17 Jun 17 9.38am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

People should remember that:

Council tower blocks were sh1t holes under Labour as well as Conservative. Labour just had higher welfare payments, which also created problems.

Regulations are obviously very slack when they're checked, if there's enough to provide safety there to check.

A lot of money was spent on Grenfell tower. £10 mil. It was just spent on the wrong thing(s), and I don't just mean the wrong cladding.

Blaming the Tories is lazy and opportunistic, although there could be an individual or 2 for sitting on reports. Barwell.

Could NOT agree more.
Let's wait until the findings of the detailed enquiry before jumping to any conclusions.

See the 'Rent-a-mob' are out in force with their Anti-Tory placards etc etc - perhaps absolutely NOT connected to the tragedy but jumping on a darned bandwagon.Probably be riots before the weekend is out.

Totally understand that feelings ae running high and that it must be absolutely terrible for those who have lost loved ones or who are missing loved ones but I fear there are those who are using it as an excuse to get across their Anti-Tory viewpoints.

Once again, thoughts and prayers go out to those who have been affected by this tragedy.Must be unbearable for them.

Edited by Willo (17 Jun 2017 9.39am)

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 17 Jun 17 9.50am
Originally posted by Mr_Gristle Good post. However, the Commons vote on fire safety regs that Michaela mentioned on this thread is going to be a hard one to ignore. Yes but there are some fire regs out there now. Were they being followed in Grenfell Tower. There are fire regs for houses converted to flats and fire doors that divide areas in all sorts of different buildings. I'd be very surprised if Grenfell Tower would've passed a planned or unannounced safety inspection. I suspect it's not the only one, and probably in councils chaired by different parties. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 17 Jun 17 9.50am

Originally posted by Mr_Gristle

Good post. However, the Commons vote on fire safety regs that Michaela mentioned on this thread is going to be a hard one to ignore.

Yes but there are some fire regs out there now. Were they being followed in Grenfell Tower.

There are fire regs for houses converted to flats and fire doors that divide areas in all sorts of different buildings.

I'd be very surprised if Grenfell Tower would've passed a planned or unannounced safety inspection. I suspect it's not the only one, and probably in councils chaired by different parties.

COYP

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ZIGnZAG Stoke 17 Jun 17 9.51am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman People should remember that: Council tower blocks were sh1t holes under Labour as well as Conservative. Labour just had higher welfare payments, which also created problems. Regulations are obviously very slack when they're checked, if there's enough to provide safety there to check. A lot of money was spent on Grenfell tower. £10 mil. It was just spent on the wrong thing(s), and I don't just mean the wrong cladding. It seems to me that the incompetence and favouring of wealthier locals from the local council and possible negligence (although the cladding is legal) by the management company are where there's any possible 'blame.' Blaming the Tories is lazy and opportunistic, although there could be an individual or 2 for sitting on reports. Barwell. There are probably a Lot of different people, agencies, companies, parties, to blame. A lot of wrong decisions made, by a lot of different people, for many different reasons. Whatever, it's NOT acceptable. The cladding itself caused the fire to spread the way it did, fact. How such a material, fitted in such a way can be so widely used, and accepted as a 'legal' method of cladding any building, should have been reviewed the first time it caused a fire like this, in France, or Dubai, or where ever it first happened. We did not need to experience this first hand to realise the problems with it. However we didn't. So then at the VERY least, it should have been reviewed the morning of this tragedy. This sh!t example of cladding should have been made illegal a long time ago, and should be removed from any building it is attached to, NOW. It is such an obvious hazard. With now real way of reducing it. The ONLY answer is to remove it, and ban all use of it. Except maybe in prisons. Yet it's still wrapped around how many buildings. It was unacceptable before this fire. NOBODY needs to wait for a report to state how dangerous this type of cladding is. Yesterday the government should have stood up, put its balls on the table and started removing it from every building it is on. Until it's off the poor b@stards living inside these dormant infernos should be removed. Anything less is completely unacceptable. What's the delay? Yes it would be a massive cost. Who gives a fcuk. You cannot put a price on life. Or can you? Seems our government is, has and will continue to do so. It ALL boils down to money. That's the sad greedy world we live in now. Money first. Religion a close second. Safety is a myth, it would be better off being called 'arse covering'. Because that's all it is.
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ZIGnZAG

Stoke 17 Jun 17 9.51am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

People should remember that:

Council tower blocks were sh1t holes under Labour as well as Conservative. Labour just had higher welfare payments, which also created problems.

Regulations are obviously very slack when they're checked, if there's enough to provide safety there to check.

A lot of money was spent on Grenfell tower. £10 mil. It was just spent on the wrong thing(s), and I don't just mean the wrong cladding.

Blaming the Tories is lazy and opportunistic, although there could be an individual or 2 for sitting on reports. Barwell.

There are probably a Lot of different people, agencies, companies, parties, to blame. A lot of wrong decisions made, by a lot of different people, for many different reasons.
Whatever, it's NOT acceptable.

The cladding itself caused the fire to spread the way it did, fact.

How such a material, fitted in such a way can be so widely used, and accepted as a 'legal' method of cladding any building, should have been reviewed the first time it caused a fire like this, in France, or Dubai, or where ever it first happened. We did not need to experience this first hand to realise the problems with it.
However we didn't.
So then at the VERY least, it should have been reviewed the morning of this tragedy.
This sh!t example of cladding should have been made illegal a long time ago, and should be removed from any building it is attached to, NOW.

It is such an obvious hazard. With now real way of reducing it. The ONLY answer is to remove it, and ban all use of it. Except maybe in prisons.

Yet it's still wrapped around how many buildings. It was unacceptable before this fire.
NOBODY needs to wait for a report to state how dangerous this type of cladding is.
Yesterday the government should have stood up, put its balls on the table and started removing it from every building it is on. Until it's off the poor b@stards living inside these dormant infernos should be removed. Anything less is completely unacceptable.

What's the delay?

Yes it would be a massive cost. Who gives a fcuk. You cannot put a price on life.

Or can you?

Seems our government is, has and will continue to do so.

It ALL boils down to money.

That's the sad greedy world we live in now.

Money first.
Religion a close second.
Safety is a myth, it would be better off being called 'arse covering'. Because that's all it is.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 17 Jun 17 10.16am
You want to keep cladding like this for prisons? COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 17 Jun 17 10.16am

You want to keep cladding like this for prisons?

COYP

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