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Hrolf The Ganger 24 May 17 3.32pm | |
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Originally posted by Jimenez
.......and therein lies the problem. If this jihadist had been picked up by the security forces those on the left would be screaming that he is being picked on because he's a Muslim. Totally agree. The government won't do much more than protect themselves and Buckingham Palace.
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mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 24 May 17 3.34pm | |
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Originally posted by dannyh
Interesting read this The author of this email is Dr Emanuel Tanya, a well-known and well-respected psychiatrist. A man, whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War II, owned a number of large industries and estates. When asked how many German people were true Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our attitude toward fanaticism. 'Very few people were true Nazis,' he said, 'but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come.' My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories. 'We are told again and again by 'experts' and 'talking heads' that Islam is a religion of peace and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace. 'Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the spectre of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam. 'The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history. It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide. 'It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honour-kill. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque. It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and homosexuals. It is the fanatics who teach their young to kill and to become suicide bombers. 'The hard quantifiable fact is that the peaceful majority, the 'silent majority,' is cowed and extraneous. 'Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant. ' China 's huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people. 'The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet. And who can forget Rwanda , which collapsed into butchery? Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were 'peace loving? 'History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt. Yet for all our powers of reason, we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points: peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence. Peace-loving Muslims will become our Enemy if they don't speak up. Like my friend from Germany , they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them and the end of their world will have begun. 'Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late. 'Now Islamic prayers have been introduced in Toronto and other public schools in Ontario , and, yes, in Ottawa , too, while the Lord's Prayer was removed due to being so offensive? The Islamic way may be peaceful for the time being in our country until the fanatics move in. 'In Australia , and indeed in many countries around the world, many of the most commonly consumed food items have the halal emblem on them. Just look at the back of some of the most popular chocolate bars, and at other food items in your local supermarket. Food on aircraft have the halal emblem just to appease the privileged minority who are now rapidly expanding within the nation's shores. 'In the U.K, the Muslim communities refuse to integrate and there are now dozens of "no-go" zones within major cities across the country that the police force dare not intrude upon. Sharia law prevails there, because the Muslim community in those areas refuse to acknowledge British law. 'As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only group that counts - the fanatics who threaten our way of life.' 'Lastly, anyone who doubts that this issue is not serious and just deletes this email without sending it on, is contributing to the passiveness that allows the problems to expand. Extend yourself a bit and send this on. Let us hope that thousands world-wide read this, think about it, and send it on before it's too late, and we are silenced because we were silent Blimey. And I thought the worst they did was bang a drum and throw a coin at a Burnley player.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 24 May 17 3.36pm | |
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Originally posted by Lyons550
You say this in jest, how many have the police been cut by in the name of austerity?
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Hrolf The Ganger 24 May 17 3.37pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Things are not as simple as they appear sometimes. You have seen Homeland right? I'd arrest people just for looking a bit dodgy but that is me. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (24 May 2017 3.39pm)
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Hrolf The Ganger 24 May 17 3.38pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
You say this in jest, how many have the police been cut by in the name of austerity? 8.4?
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 24 May 17 3.39pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Totally agree. The government won't do much more than protect themselves and Buckingham Palace. I think you'll find that most/nearly all muslims are as repulsed by the horrific events on Monday as you or I are.
I've been ruminating on this for the last 24 hours. My initial reaction is to think revenge, to call for the internment of all the Muslim extremists on the MI6 watch list. To take them to rooms without windows and find out what they know about future attacks by whatever means. This is the wrong reaction. I spoke with an articulate, measured colleague today who just happens to be a Muslim. She is shocked like us, moderate Muslims are shocked like us - because they are us. The key to this is to make the moderate Muslim community part of "our team" because it isolates the lunatics, it makes them visible and shines a light on them. I speak as one who has lashed out at all Muslims in the past. I was wrong. I'm an atheist but I don't see this as a religious thing anymore. This is humans vs. broken humans.
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Michaelawt85 Bexley 24 May 17 3.42pm | |
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Originally posted by Alex1991
You think the left don't understand the need for security ? If people are involved in this type of activity then lock them up, obviously. Just rounding people up because they're Muslims is wrong. Agreed. The family would clearly be telephoning or in contact saying more than hello, there's this brown bloke lives down my road, think he's a Muslim and I think he's into terrorism. They would have been able to at least provide examples as to why, possible contacts or friends and even times or dates or travel and actual evidence to back up their claims Edited by Michaelawt85 (24 May 2017 3.46pm)
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Lyons550 Shirley 24 May 17 3.45pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
You say this in jest, how many have the police been cut by in the name of austerity?
You're alluding to an alleged situation without knowing teh full facts...i note you never replied to my point about Innocent until proven guilty...however if you want a Police State where simply an accusation will result in Police activity and a jail term (because lets be honest only incarceration in this instance would've prevented the incident) then go for it...however I would suggest this flies perpendicular with your views. So rather then use it as a cheap political point scoring dig; it'd be best to base anything on fact.
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.TUX. 24 May 17 3.45pm | |
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Originally posted by elgrande
He got the abuse for turning a thread about young murdered children into a political point scoring thread. And I would do the same again. Not from where i'm sitting.
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hedgehog50 Croydon 24 May 17 3.46pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
I think you'll find that most/nearly all muslims are as repulsed by the horrific events on Monday as you or I are. This is from a very right wing friend of mine from school, I think what he says is valid. I've been ruminating on this for the last 24 hours. My initial reaction is to think revenge, to call for the internment of all the Muslim extremists on the MI6 watch list. To take them to rooms without windows and find out what they know about future attacks by whatever means. This is the wrong reaction. I spoke with an articulate, measured colleague today who just happens to be a Muslim. She is shocked like us, moderate Muslims are shocked like us - because they are us. The key to this is to make the moderate Muslim community part of "our team" because it isolates the lunatics, it makes them visible and shines a light on them. I speak as one who has lashed out at all Muslims in the past. I was wrong. I'm an atheist but I don't see this as a religious thing anymore. This is humans vs. broken humans. Leaving aside that you probably consider everyone you meet/know right wing.
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Lyons550 Shirley 24 May 17 3.49pm | |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
Not from where i'm sitting. He did...which I tried to reply to in a reasoned manner...only you actually picked up on it...he though then went on a tangent (which seemingly is all he was here to do) before the card was issued. He was simply laying crumbs for others to feed on without really wanting to debate/discuss anything.
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Hrolf The Ganger 24 May 17 3.49pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
I think you'll find that most/nearly all muslims are as repulsed by the horrific events on Monday as you or I are.
I've been ruminating on this for the last 24 hours. My initial reaction is to think revenge, to call for the internment of all the Muslim extremists on the MI6 watch list. To take them to rooms without windows and find out what they know about future attacks by whatever means. This is the wrong reaction. I spoke with an articulate, measured colleague today who just happens to be a Muslim. She is shocked like us, moderate Muslims are shocked like us - because they are us. The key to this is to make the moderate Muslim community part of "our team" because it isolates the lunatics, it makes them visible and shines a light on them. I speak as one who has lashed out at all Muslims in the past. I was wrong. I'm an atheist but I don't see this as a religious thing anymore. This is humans vs. broken humans. I actually agree. Any decent person detests the suffering of others and rejects violence. I would be in favour of a tougher stance on sympathisers and the circumstances in which you can arrest and detain suspects. Obviously some being watched by security are left alone to gather intelligence but if the number of thwarted attempts are to be believed then there must be quite a few of these f***ers out there willing to kill.
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