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Direwolf Lincoln 31 Jul 17 3.32pm | |
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Originally posted by eddiqc
What a load of bollocks.. If I was gay, I wouldn't care if people called me queer or a bender, etc.. because being offended by those "insults" would mean that I'm ashamed of it. Presumably you are not gay so how can you know whether you would care or not?
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eddiqc Tunbridge wells 31 Jul 17 5.25pm | |
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Are you saying that I don't know my own personality?
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Direwolf Lincoln 31 Jul 17 5.39pm | |
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Originally posted by eddiqc
Are you saying that I don't know my own personality? Not at all - I'm sure you know your own personality very well. My question is how can you know that you would react in exactly the same way whether you were gay or not? Surely your current reaction is based on your current situation?
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eddiqc Tunbridge wells 31 Jul 17 7.52pm | |
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I see what you mean, but I have received the same level abuse for other things and I don't let it bother me. Water off a ducks back my friend. Edited by eddiqc (31 Jul 2017 7.53pm)
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Podyonkers Atlanta, Georgia 31 Jul 17 7.54pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
What is 'toss'? Do you mean Yids? Never heard of 'toss'. Well, plenty of Spurs fans themselves refer to 'The Yid Army' so I don't think they are being anti-semitic. Intent is everything. If Palace chanting was intent on targeting the gay community then 'yes' it is homophobia. But i don't think the chanting is. It's directed at Brighton fans. I wouldn't miss it if it stopped and have never indulged myself in the chanting but I see this as too accusatory. Just to address this particular point, I would disagree that "intent is everything." One way to look at this is through the eyes of the gay community. Seems only fair, since the OP is asking us to do just that. It's up to us all to decide whether he has a fair point. And one way to make that determination is to ask, "What if it were me?" So, I think it's worth extrapolating; finding a different cause, for example - one that hits closer to home. What if you lost a member of your family to suicide? What if your little sister has Downs Syndrome? What if your brother is transgender? What if your family has had to deal with the tragedy of losing a family member to Alzheimers disease recently? There are lots of what-ifs, and lots of people in this world who are marginalized or dealing with disadvantage. Now, imagine that just after you lost your family member to suicide there was a chant aimed at, say, Leeds United because Gary Speed killed himself? The justification might be, "Well, it's not aimed at Gary Speed. It's just a wind-up. Besides, intent is everything." Imagine how you would feel as the crowd around you made a joke about something that your family just experienced. I would imagine you'd be fairly upset, and unwilling to sing along. That's how the gay community feels when they hear homophobic chants.
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Direwolf Lincoln 31 Jul 17 8.58pm | |
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Originally posted by eddiqc
I see what you mean, but I have received the same level abuse for other things and I don't let it bother me. Water off a ducks back my friend. Edited by eddiqc (31 Jul 2017 7.53pm) You have an admirable level of tolerance for abuse sir. I'm not sure I would be as tolerant of abuse that was directed at some facet of myself, be it sexual orientation or some other characteristic.
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adrian b Landrindod, Wales 31 Jul 17 10.28pm | |
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Dan1994 Wallington 01 Aug 17 12.59am | |
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We'll just shout "Eagles eat seagull" to the tune of the "Hes just too good for you," and then proceed to watch Wilf tear them apart again.
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Nevada Eagle Carson City, Nevada 01 Aug 17 5.46am | |
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BHA abuse? ABUSE THEM ALL YOU CAN!
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eddiqc Tunbridge wells 01 Aug 17 8.31am | |
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Originally posted by Direwolf
You have an admirable level of tolerance for abuse sir. I'm not sure I would be as tolerant of abuse that was directed at some facet of myself, be it sexual orientation or some other characteristic. I wouldnt call it tolerance for abuse, I just don't care what some random person thinks of me. The only people in my life that matter are my friends and family.
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adrian b Landrindod, Wales 01 Aug 17 10.12am | |
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Originally posted by eddiqc
I wouldnt call it tolerance for abuse, I just don't care what some random person thinks of me. The only people in my life that matter are my friends and family. Its admirable that you are able to ignore personal jibes and realise the opinions of your loved ones are far more important. But we need to draw the line somewhere on this. Imagine you are passing a person in the street who is being roundly verbally abused on a personal level by another, causing that person to wilt. Would you really just ignore it and say its nothing to do with me as i can take that kind of abuse anyway?
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eddiqc Tunbridge wells 01 Aug 17 11.14am | |
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Well, I never said I don't care if other people are being verbally abused. I was merely saying that *I* wouldn't be affected if the abuse was directed at me.
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