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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 17 Nov 15 2.23pm | |
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Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 17 Nov 2015 2.09pm
As I have explained previously. There are two things to consider. The decision making and the execution of said decision. Once the decision to shoot has been made then you can't f*** about trying to wound someone. It was never practical but particularly now with so many suicide bombers. John Charles de Menezes was because of operational mistakes before the decision to shoot was made. So it was a horrendous mistake by those in control but it boils to the precepts on which these decisions are made. I am not saying I have an answer, but I still believe that it is interlinked, and recognising that is part of the solution even if you need to chunk it up to make it easier to address.
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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 17 Nov 15 2.27pm | |
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Quote Oliver at 17 Nov 2015 5.39am
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Quote Oliver at 16 Nov 2015 7.14pm
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 16 Nov 2015 10.38am
Quote serial thriller at 14 Nov 2015 2.30pm
But I'll end this post with one final remark. The rules on this forum state that any racist ethnically objectionable material will be punished. It is my belief that racism, and indeed all forms of prejudice, stem from ignorance, and what I hope I have proved is that from the almost exclusive ignorance of Hoof's post, conclusions have been reached which at best are ethnically objectionable (Not just a few religious zealots or fundamentalists but with Islam itself... the whole ideology!) and at worst advocating genocide (we need to bring in the experts to destroy the nest!). I'd like to see the mods adhere to the rules of their own forum and warn Hoof that such views aren't welcome on here, yet particularly considering one mod has actively supported his beliefs, I'd be surprised if any of them had the guts to do so.
My reaction......... how childish and pathetic.... trying to get me banned because of my hard line views that oppose his liberal views and calling me racist AGAIN. Not content with that.... comparing my use of an analogy to that of the Nazi propaganda spokesman Goebbels speech on the final solution! Serial.... you and others on here need to stop playing the racist card and revert to trying to convince us your arguments are superior rather than underhand tactics to try and stifle our views.
Your opinion is no more or less valid than anyone else even though you seem to think it is. I avoided this thread all weekend because emotions were high. I'm not surprised to see the chest beating bravado of the usual suspects, those of, shall we say, an older generation with ingrained prejudices. Hol clusterf*ck thread at it's finest. Completely agree and avoided this thread. I take a deep breath and just remind myself it's a football supporters site. Saw a poster say he knew nothing about Islam and then the very next sentence proceeded to spout some crap he probably heard about from a less than reputable source and then called for Muslims to he interned.
Amazing how an automatic weapon in the ear can change people's minds.
Life experience. It's easy to be magnanimous when you are not directly affected.
That's original. A rather pathetic attempt at shutting down a debate.
Life experience, keyboard warriors just don't have cojones.
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Hrolf The Ganger 17 Nov 15 2.42pm | |
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Quote pefwin at 17 Nov 2015 2.27pm
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 17 Nov 2015 2.18pm
Quote pefwin at 17 Nov 2015 1.39pm
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 17 Nov 2015 12.50pm
Quote Oliver at 17 Nov 2015 5.39am
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 16 Nov 2015 10.45pm
Quote Oliver at 16 Nov 2015 7.14pm
Quote Southampton_Eagle at 16 Nov 2015 11.25am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 16 Nov 2015 10.38am
Quote serial thriller at 14 Nov 2015 2.30pm
But I'll end this post with one final remark. The rules on this forum state that any racist ethnically objectionable material will be punished. It is my belief that racism, and indeed all forms of prejudice, stem from ignorance, and what I hope I have proved is that from the almost exclusive ignorance of Hoof's post, conclusions have been reached which at best are ethnically objectionable (Not just a few religious zealots or fundamentalists but with Islam itself... the whole ideology!) and at worst advocating genocide (we need to bring in the experts to destroy the nest!). I'd like to see the mods adhere to the rules of their own forum and warn Hoof that such views aren't welcome on here, yet particularly considering one mod has actively supported his beliefs, I'd be surprised if any of them had the guts to do so.
My reaction......... how childish and pathetic.... trying to get me banned because of my hard line views that oppose his liberal views and calling me racist AGAIN. Not content with that.... comparing my use of an analogy to that of the Nazi propaganda spokesman Goebbels speech on the final solution! Serial.... you and others on here need to stop playing the racist card and revert to trying to convince us your arguments are superior rather than underhand tactics to try and stifle our views.
Your opinion is no more or less valid than anyone else even though you seem to think it is. I avoided this thread all weekend because emotions were high. I'm not surprised to see the chest beating bravado of the usual suspects, those of, shall we say, an older generation with ingrained prejudices. Hol clusterf*ck thread at it's finest. Completely agree and avoided this thread. I take a deep breath and just remind myself it's a football supporters site. Saw a poster say he knew nothing about Islam and then the very next sentence proceeded to spout some crap he probably heard about from a less than reputable source and then called for Muslims to he interned.
Amazing how an automatic weapon in the ear can change people's minds.
Life experience. It's easy to be magnanimous when you are not directly affected.
That's original. A rather pathetic attempt at shutting down a debate.
Life experience, keyboard warriors just don't have cojones.
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Hoof Hearted 17 Nov 15 3.35pm | |
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Quote Southampton_Eagle at 17 Nov 2015 11.32am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 17 Nov 2015 9.11am
Quote Southampton_Eagle at 16 Nov 2015 11.25am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 16 Nov 2015 10.38am
Quote serial thriller at 14 Nov 2015 2.30pm
But I'll end this post with one final remark. The rules on this forum state that any racist ethnically objectionable material will be punished. It is my belief that racism, and indeed all forms of prejudice, stem from ignorance, and what I hope I have proved is that from the almost exclusive ignorance of Hoof's post, conclusions have been reached which at best are ethnically objectionable (Not just a few religious zealots or fundamentalists but with Islam itself... the whole ideology!) and at worst advocating genocide (we need to bring in the experts to destroy the nest!). I'd like to see the mods adhere to the rules of their own forum and warn Hoof that such views aren't welcome on here, yet particularly considering one mod has actively supported his beliefs, I'd be surprised if any of them had the guts to do so.
My reaction......... how childish and pathetic.... trying to get me banned because of my hard line views that oppose his liberal views and calling me racist AGAIN. Not content with that.... comparing my use of an analogy to that of the Nazi propaganda spokesman Goebbels speech on the final solution! Serial.... you and others on here need to stop playing the racist card and revert to trying to convince us your arguments are superior rather than underhand tactics to try and stifle our views.
Your opinion is no more or less valid than anyone else even though you seem to think it is. I avoided this thread all weekend because emotions were high. I'm not surprised to see the chest beating bravado of the usual suspects, those of, shall we say, an older generation with ingrained prejudices. Hol clusterf*ck thread at it's finest.
Get a life.
Anyways... from your tone it sounds like you should take a chill pill. Meanwhile, my offending post continues to get accolades from the free thinkers. Annoying isn't it?
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Hoof Hearted 17 Nov 15 3.41pm | |
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Quote dannyh at 17 Nov 2015 12.43pm
Quote bubble wrap at 17 Nov 2015 12.26pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 14 Nov 2015 10.35am
RIVERS OF BLOOD.......... Enoch Powell..... April 1968. He was laughed at, shouted down even... and here we are nearly 50 years later talking about the very things he predicted happening in Paris. Jimenez was correct at the beginning of this thread... we are at war........ with Islam Kermit. Not just a few religious zealots or fundamentalists but with Islam itself... the whole ideology! Islam calls itself the religion of peace, but the holy Koran directs it's followers to kill all infidels (unbelievers)... but we hear so often that most followers don't take this as a literal instruction. Why have it in there then? How many other religions have such a clear message in it's scriptures to direct people to kill? The Holy Bible says "Thou Shalt Not Kill"... I'm not clued up on all religions though, but I doubt any others encourage bloodshed? Why do we tolerate the way Islam treats women as 2nd class citizens, forcing them to dress in Burkhas. denying them education and just being servants to the males? Female Genital Mutilation FFS! Why are they living here in a culture that is alien to their preachings... no alcohol, gay and lesbians, non halal meat eaters? These people that carried out tonight's atrocities were highly trained and part of a network that has been helped by the Paris/French Muslim community. They could not have carried out this level of terrorism without the so called moderates being aware of what was going down. Of course now we will hear from the Muslim Council of Great Britain (and/or their French counterparts)decrying the act and how it offends Muslims and their faith. We are at war and we need to adopt the same mindset of Churchill during WWII and start interning again those Muslims preaching hate rather than releasing them because Liberal namby pambys think it's a crime to do so. We also need to sort out ISIS (or whatever they call themselves) killing and destroying people and historical religious property in Syria and everywhere else they operate around the globe. Shut down their websites glorifying their deeds and attempts to radicalise and recruit young minds. Do we want blood on our streets? Luckily we were not as stupid as the rest of Europe and have tightened our border controls and beefed up our security and intelligence capabilities.... even though the Liberal minded regard this an "affront to their civil liberties" ! I think this will see a rise in UKIP's popularity again as well as many turning to BNP/EDL type political parties as they sense the likes of Corbyn and Labour will not even be dismayed by this outrage and blame ourselves, whilst Cameron speaks rhetoric about reprisals but not have the balls to actually do anything. I think Islam is like a wasp infestation - we are currently dealing with the problem by killing a few stray wasps with a rolled up newspaper. However we need to bring in the experts to destroy the nest! Or.... we can do nothing and slowly allow our population to be engulfed by Muslims and surrender to Sharia Law. It's our choice. Edited by Hoof Hearted (14 Nov 2015 10.37am) Post of the year. Well said Hoof and in full agreement. I am off to watch the England v France game tonight and have to admit at being a bit worried at the threat of something happening. Then i get angry that i have to feel that way in my own country. Schools have cancelled trips to Museums in London because of the threat. Why should we live this way. It is clear that ISIS needs to be wiped off the face of the Earth. They are increasing in numbers day by day and their net is spreading wider and wider. The action taken against them so far has had little if any impact. A joint and huge campaign to take them out needs to happen and fast. Can I just add my support for Hoofs post. Nail on head just doesnt do it justice. It's gods job to forgive ISIS terrorists, hopefully I can facilitate some of those meetings.
Some of the responses from people on here makes you wonder what country we're living in these days.
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Hoof Hearted 17 Nov 15 3.45pm | |
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Quote ghosteagle at 17 Nov 2015 2.08pm
Quote dannyh at 17 Nov 2015 12.43pm
Quote bubble wrap at 17 Nov 2015 12.26pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 14 Nov 2015 10.35am
RIVERS OF BLOOD.......... Enoch Powell..... April 1968. He was laughed at, shouted down even... and here we are nearly 50 years later talking about the very things he predicted happening in Paris. Jimenez was correct at the beginning of this thread... we are at war........ with Islam Kermit. Not just a few religious zealots or fundamentalists but with Islam itself... the whole ideology! Islam calls itself the religion of peace, but the holy Koran directs it's followers to kill all infidels (unbelievers)... but we hear so often that most followers don't take this as a literal instruction. Why have it in there then? How many other religions have such a clear message in it's scriptures to direct people to kill? The Holy Bible says "Thou Shalt Not Kill"... I'm not clued up on all religions though, but I doubt any others encourage bloodshed? Why do we tolerate the way Islam treats women as 2nd class citizens, forcing them to dress in Burkhas. denying them education and just being servants to the males? Female Genital Mutilation FFS! Why are they living here in a culture that is alien to their preachings... no alcohol, gay and lesbians, non halal meat eaters? These people that carried out tonight's atrocities were highly trained and part of a network that has been helped by the Paris/French Muslim community. They could not have carried out this level of terrorism without the so called moderates being aware of what was going down. Of course now we will hear from the Muslim Council of Great Britain (and/or their French counterparts)decrying the act and how it offends Muslims and their faith. We are at war and we need to adopt the same mindset of Churchill during WWII and start interning again those Muslims preaching hate rather than releasing them because Liberal namby pambys think it's a crime to do so. We also need to sort out ISIS (or whatever they call themselves) killing and destroying people and historical religious property in Syria and everywhere else they operate around the globe. Shut down their websites glorifying their deeds and attempts to radicalise and recruit young minds. Do we want blood on our streets? Luckily we were not as stupid as the rest of Europe and have tightened our border controls and beefed up our security and intelligence capabilities.... even though the Liberal minded regard this an "affront to their civil liberties" ! I think this will see a rise in UKIP's popularity again as well as many turning to BNP/EDL type political parties as they sense the likes of Corbyn and Labour will not even be dismayed by this outrage and blame ourselves, whilst Cameron speaks rhetoric about reprisals but not have the balls to actually do anything. I think Islam is like a wasp infestation - we are currently dealing with the problem by killing a few stray wasps with a rolled up newspaper. However we need to bring in the experts to destroy the nest! Or.... we can do nothing and slowly allow our population to be engulfed by Muslims and surrender to Sharia Law. It's our choice. Edited by Hoof Hearted (14 Nov 2015 10.37am) Post of the year. Well said Hoof and in full agreement. I am off to watch the England v France game tonight and have to admit at being a bit worried at the threat of something happening. Then i get angry that i have to feel that way in my own country. Schools have cancelled trips to Museums in London because of the threat. Why should we live this way. It is clear that ISIS needs to be wiped off the face of the Earth. They are increasing in numbers day by day and their net is spreading wider and wider. The action taken against them so far has had little if any impact. A joint and huge campaign to take them out needs to happen and fast. Can I just add my support for Hoofs post. Nail on head just doesnt do it justice. It's gods job to forgive ISIS terrorists, hopefully I can facilitate some of those meetings.
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elgrande bedford 17 Nov 15 3.49pm | |
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Quote nickgusset at 17 Nov 2015 1.49pm
Quote dannyh at 17 Nov 2015 1.13pm
So the slimey bearded tramp has finally made a comment about the mass slaughter of innocent civillians by saying he doesnt agree with a shoot to kill policy on terrorists . Corbyn you are an utter utter spinless wnaker. if I ever meet you in public please dont be offended if I tell you so. You pathetic apologist hangwringing tawtt.
I actually think Corbyn has been naive although I understand his sentiment. Acouple of thoughts on that,and I am sure I will infuriate some on here with it.
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elgrande bedford 17 Nov 15 3.51pm | |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 17 Nov 2015 3.45pm
Quote ghosteagle at 17 Nov 2015 2.08pm
Quote dannyh at 17 Nov 2015 12.43pm
Quote bubble wrap at 17 Nov 2015 12.26pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 14 Nov 2015 10.35am
RIVERS OF BLOOD.......... Enoch Powell..... April 1968. He was laughed at, shouted down even... and here we are nearly 50 years later talking about the very things he predicted happening in Paris. Jimenez was correct at the beginning of this thread... we are at war........ with Islam Kermit. Not just a few religious zealots or fundamentalists but with Islam itself... the whole ideology! Islam calls itself the religion of peace, but the holy Koran directs it's followers to kill all infidels (unbelievers)... but we hear so often that most followers don't take this as a literal instruction. Why have it in there then? How many other religions have such a clear message in it's scriptures to direct people to kill? The Holy Bible says "Thou Shalt Not Kill"... I'm not clued up on all religions though, but I doubt any others encourage bloodshed? Why do we tolerate the way Islam treats women as 2nd class citizens, forcing them to dress in Burkhas. denying them education and just being servants to the males? Female Genital Mutilation FFS! Why are they living here in a culture that is alien to their preachings... no alcohol, gay and lesbians, non halal meat eaters? These people that carried out tonight's atrocities were highly trained and part of a network that has been helped by the Paris/French Muslim community. They could not have carried out this level of terrorism without the so called moderates being aware of what was going down. Of course now we will hear from the Muslim Council of Great Britain (and/or their French counterparts)decrying the act and how it offends Muslims and their faith. We are at war and we need to adopt the same mindset of Churchill during WWII and start interning again those Muslims preaching hate rather than releasing them because Liberal namby pambys think it's a crime to do so. We also need to sort out ISIS (or whatever they call themselves) killing and destroying people and historical religious property in Syria and everywhere else they operate around the globe. Shut down their websites glorifying their deeds and attempts to radicalise and recruit young minds. Do we want blood on our streets? Luckily we were not as stupid as the rest of Europe and have tightened our border controls and beefed up our security and intelligence capabilities.... even though the Liberal minded regard this an "affront to their civil liberties" ! I think this will see a rise in UKIP's popularity again as well as many turning to BNP/EDL type political parties as they sense the likes of Corbyn and Labour will not even be dismayed by this outrage and blame ourselves, whilst Cameron speaks rhetoric about reprisals but not have the balls to actually do anything. I think Islam is like a wasp infestation - we are currently dealing with the problem by killing a few stray wasps with a rolled up newspaper. However we need to bring in the experts to destroy the nest! Or.... we can do nothing and slowly allow our population to be engulfed by Muslims and surrender to Sharia Law. It's our choice. Edited by Hoof Hearted (14 Nov 2015 10.37am) Post of the year. Well said Hoof and in full agreement. I am off to watch the England v France game tonight and have to admit at being a bit worried at the threat of something happening. Then i get angry that i have to feel that way in my own country. Schools have cancelled trips to Museums in London because of the threat. Why should we live this way. It is clear that ISIS needs to be wiped off the face of the Earth. They are increasing in numbers day by day and their net is spreading wider and wider. The action taken against them so far has had little if any impact. A joint and huge campaign to take them out needs to happen and fast. Can I just add my support for Hoofs post. Nail on head just doesnt do it justice. It's gods job to forgive ISIS terrorists, hopefully I can facilitate some of those meetings.
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Hoof Hearted 17 Nov 15 3.54pm | |
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Quote nickgusset at 17 Nov 2015 1.49pm
Quote dannyh at 17 Nov 2015 1.13pm
So the slimey bearded tramp has finally made a comment about the mass slaughter of innocent civillians by saying he doesnt agree with a shoot to kill policy on terrorists . Corbyn you are an utter utter spinless wnaker. if I ever meet you in public please dont be offended if I tell you so. You pathetic apologist hangwringing tawtt.
I actually think Corbyn has been naive although I understand his sentiment. Acouple of thoughts on that,and I am sure I will infuriate some on here with it.
Tragic case of mistaken identity, but no reason to adopt Corbyn's "let's talk about this" strategy when dealing with armed terrorists prepared to blow themselves up and kill/maim hundreds of innocent people.
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Stuk Top half 17 Nov 15 3.57pm | |
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Quote elgrande at 17 Nov 2015 3.49pm
Quote nickgusset at 17 Nov 2015 1.49pm
Quote dannyh at 17 Nov 2015 1.13pm
So the slimey bearded tramp has finally made a comment about the mass slaughter of innocent civillians by saying he doesnt agree with a shoot to kill policy on terrorists . Corbyn you are an utter utter spinless wnaker. if I ever meet you in public please dont be offended if I tell you so. You pathetic apologist hangwringing tawtt.
I actually think Corbyn has been naive although I understand his sentiment. Acouple of thoughts on that,and I am sure I will infuriate some on here with it.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 17 Nov 15 4.00pm | |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 17 Nov 2015 3.35pm
Quote Southampton_Eagle at 17 Nov 2015 11.32am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 17 Nov 2015 9.11am
Quote Southampton_Eagle at 16 Nov 2015 11.25am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 16 Nov 2015 10.38am
Quote serial thriller at 14 Nov 2015 2.30pm
But I'll end this post with one final remark. The rules on this forum state that any racist ethnically objectionable material will be punished. It is my belief that racism, and indeed all forms of prejudice, stem from ignorance, and what I hope I have proved is that from the almost exclusive ignorance of Hoof's post, conclusions have been reached which at best are ethnically objectionable (Not just a few religious zealots or fundamentalists but with Islam itself... the whole ideology!) and at worst advocating genocide (we need to bring in the experts to destroy the nest!). I'd like to see the mods adhere to the rules of their own forum and warn Hoof that such views aren't welcome on here, yet particularly considering one mod has actively supported his beliefs, I'd be surprised if any of them had the guts to do so.
My reaction......... how childish and pathetic.... trying to get me banned because of my hard line views that oppose his liberal views and calling me racist AGAIN. Not content with that.... comparing my use of an analogy to that of the Nazi propaganda spokesman Goebbels speech on the final solution! Serial.... you and others on here need to stop playing the racist card and revert to trying to convince us your arguments are superior rather than underhand tactics to try and stifle our views.
Your opinion is no more or less valid than anyone else even though you seem to think it is. I avoided this thread all weekend because emotions were high. I'm not surprised to see the chest beating bravado of the usual suspects, those of, shall we say, an older generation with ingrained prejudices. Hol clusterf*ck thread at it's finest.
Get a life.
Anyways... from your tone it sounds like you should take a chill pill. Meanwhile, my offending post continues to get accolades from the free thinkers. Annoying isn't it? I still think your 'intern all muslims' remark is ridiculous. But you are entitled to that view, just as I am mine.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 17 Nov 15 4.03pm | |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 17 Nov 2015 3.54pm
Quote elgrande at 17 Nov 2015 3.49pm
Quote nickgusset at 17 Nov 2015 1.49pm
Quote dannyh at 17 Nov 2015 1.13pm
So the slimey bearded tramp has finally made a comment about the mass slaughter of innocent civillians by saying he doesnt agree with a shoot to kill policy on terrorists . Corbyn you are an utter utter spinless wnaker. if I ever meet you in public please dont be offended if I tell you so. You pathetic apologist hangwringing tawtt.
I actually think Corbyn has been naive although I understand his sentiment. Acouple of thoughts on that,and I am sure I will infuriate some on here with it.
Tragic case of mistaken identity, but no reason to adopt Corbyn's "let's talk about this" strategy when dealing with armed terrorists prepared to blow themselves up and kill/maim hundreds of innocent people.
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