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Helmet46 Croydon 30 Jun 21 10.25am | |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
But is that the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth or is it smoke and mirrors LOL god knows!
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Pigglelet Deepest Darkest Sussex 30 Jun 21 10.36am | |
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Originally posted by dreamwaverider
Another thing to consider is time. FdB got 4 games as we lost all 4. Let’s assume Chelsea beat us on day one then the new man (or woman of course!!) will have a three gam window to get a point. Hmmmmmm. I would also just like to point out that, if Palace were to repeat last season’s results in the fixtures for the new season (Brenford excluded of course), our first win wouldn’t arrive until match number 13.
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Frickin Saweet South Cronx 30 Jun 21 10.44am | |
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Originally posted by sydtheeagle
Yes, it feels underwhelming. I suspect that's not so much due to Vieira's pedigree as it is because he is so clearly nowhere near our first choice. In truth, he was probably not even on our top 10 list when the season ended. Yet here he is. With that said, he's done all the right things to prepare himself for our job and really, Cooper or Ismael would have been no more or less of a risk, personal preferences notwithstanding. In the end, he's got the job and he's qualified to do it. Time will tell whether he succeeds or not. What I would say is that for the first time in a fair while, we have a "figurehead" permanent manager, someone recognised and highly thought of in the game. That doesn't mean he won't fail, but it is a chance for us to forge a new identity. All-in-all, I'm cautiously optimistic. Vieira strikes me as a much-needed change of pace at Palace and if he's a bit of a dice roll, what were the alternatives at this point? I'm keeping an open mind, will back him and the team, and we'll see where we are in October. Yes, I'm choosing to see the glass as half full rather than half empty but what the alternative to that? that's the spirit and about where I am. Time to back him and support him if he's announced. Nothing can compare to how disgusted I was when we hired Warnock - I really despised that fella. And he turned out alright. So I have high hopes for Viera.
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taylors lovechild 30 Jun 21 10.58am | |
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Originally posted by Frickin Saweet
that's the spirit and about where I am. Time to back him and support him if he's announced. Nothing can compare to how disgusted I was when we hired Warnock - I really despised that fella. And he turned out alright. So I have high hopes for Viera. It's kind of the Palace way that when expectations are at their lowest things turn out best and vice versa. Also, if Nuno or Favre had come in and failed they would have cost a lot more to get rid of I would imagine. With Viera the club are in a stronger bargaining position and there may be clauses that allow for early termination, or a low severance if things don't pan out. The contract may also lean more heavily towards bonus payments rather than a large basic. That's all guesswork, but Viera will almost certainly be cheaper if nothing else. People comparing his signing to FdB are wide of the mark in my view. FdB only knew the Ajax way and seemingly didn't know how to be adaptable. Viera has coached at Man City, worked with a team comprised largely of inferior players in the US, and managed in the French league with a team similar to our level. It is also worth remembering that this is also a risk for him. If he fails with us his PL dream may be over. There is no doubt a desire to manage Arsenal one day and hopefully he does well enough with us to achieve that (if he does sign of course!!)
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Palacesince64 Edinburgh 30 Jun 21 11.06am | |
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Originally posted by taylors lovechild
It's kind of the Palace way that when expectations are at their lowest things turn out best and vice versa. Also, if Nuno or Favre had come in and failed they would have cost a lot more to get rid of I would imagine. With Viera the club are in a stronger bargaining position and there may be clauses that allow for early termination, or a low severance if things don't pan out. The contract may also lean more heavily towards bonus payments rather than a large basic. That's all guesswork, but Viera will almost certainly be cheaper if nothing else. People comparing his signing to FdB are wide of the mark in my view. FdB only knew the Ajax way and seemingly didn't know how to be adaptable. Viera has coached at Man City, worked with a team comprised largely of inferior players in the US, and managed in the French league with a team similar to our level. It is also worth remembering that this is also a risk for him. If he fails with us his PL dream may be over. There is no doubt a desire to manage Arsenal one day and hopefully he does well enough with us to achieve that (if he does sign of course!!) If he achieves his ambition and becomes the Arsenal manager in 2 or 3 years time I’ll be delighted for him. if it happens it’ll mean we’re playing European football!
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sydtheeagle England 30 Jun 21 11.13am | |
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Originally posted by Palacesince64
If he achieves his ambition and becomes the Arsenal manager in 2 or 3 years time I’ll be delighted for him. if it happens it’ll mean we’re playing European football! It's worth remembering that there was a time when a successful, young Steve Coppell was nailed on to become the next shoe-in, big club manager if not at Man Utd after Ferguson turned things around, somewhere else. Doesn't always happen the way you expect. Vieira may come, succeed, and decide Palace is his club because it all fits for him, as it did with Coppell. Stranger things have happened.
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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 30 Jun 21 11.33am | |
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There were positives and negatives with all the supposed candidates for the job. PV has pedigree in terms of the clubs he has played for and managed at. He’s worked with young players at City. And gained experience of being Head Coach in very different environments. He has a reputation to make in the Premier League, not to lose. Let’s get right behind him
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sydtheeagle England 30 Jun 21 12.26pm | |
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Originally posted by NEILLO
There were positives and negatives with all the supposed candidates for the job. PV has pedigree in terms of the clubs he has played for and managed at. He’s worked with young players at City. And gained experience of being Head Coach in very different environments. He has a reputation to make in the Premier League, not to lose. Let’s get right behind him Well said Neillo. To all the flakes and moaners here, suck it up, Buttercup. If Vieira is named then he's our manager and at a minimum, his pedigree is sound as Neillo says. Getting excited is a choice. If you support Palace then make the choice to get excited, and get behind the new manager. FFS, some people are never, ever happy.
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Painter Croydon 30 Jun 21 12.40pm | |
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Originally posted by taylors lovechild
It's kind of the Palace way that when expectations are at their lowest things turn out best and vice versa. Also, if Nuno or Favre had come in and failed they would have cost a lot more to get rid of I would imagine. With Viera the club are in a stronger bargaining position and there may be clauses that allow for early termination, or a low severance if things don't pan out. The contract may also lean more heavily towards bonus payments rather than a large basic. That's all guesswork, but Viera will almost certainly be cheaper if nothing else. People comparing his signing to FdB are wide of the mark in my view. FdB only knew the Ajax way and seemingly didn't know how to be adaptable. Viera has coached at Man City, worked with a team comprised largely of inferior players in the US, and managed in the French league with a team similar to our level. It is also worth remembering that this is also a risk for him. If he fails with us his PL dream may be over. There is no doubt a desire to manage Arsenal one day and hopefully he does well enough with us to achieve that (if he does sign of course!!) Arsenal appointed Arteta, who was also a coach at Man City,, but no managerial experience. Vieira has coached and has managerial experience.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 30 Jun 21 12.46pm | |
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Has Vieira ‘’changed his mind’’ yet?
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Palace Old Geezer Midhurst 30 Jun 21 12.53pm | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Has Vieira ‘’changed his mind’’ yet? I agree.....it does seem to be dragging on a bit. I started to get excited about the last two and then the talks collapsed. So, I'm not getting excited at all.....yet.
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doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 30 Jun 21 1.13pm | |
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Originally posted by Palacesince64
If he achieves his ambition and becomes the Arsenal manager in 2 or 3 years time I’ll be delighted for him. if it happens it’ll mean we’re playing European football!
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