2 examples of why postal voting in the UK is a bad idea.

1. Abusive controlling relationship. The dominant partner ensures the submissive votes the right way.

2. Community pressure. Mainly Asian being forced by their Asian boss / local Councillor / community leader to apply for a postal vote which is then handed over to be filled in by that person.

Why would they agree to it. Well if it's your boss your job is on the line. There is also the pressure they bring to bear on family members who still live in the home country e.g. we know where your mum lives back in pakistan.

This is a fact over the years there have been many court cases where this abuse has been proved opening up postal voting has just increased it.

The public deserve the privacy of the polling booth how they vote is no one else's business.

There are exceptions such as the military police NHS and polling staff but they should be kept to the minimum.

I say this with 20 years experience in working at elections.

One more point

Moved on to the next lump of cack disseminated via 8kun and god knows where else I see now the main steaming pile (that was 100% going to happen, natch) looks to be rapidly turning even more fetid.

Don’t you think Trump would be all over that s***? His outer narcissist wouldn’t be able to resist. He’d have a plumped up quiff and (finally) matching skin tones quicker than the time it takes to say orange man bad.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

Perhaps Antifa just think the latte is over priced....I know the cherry muffin certainly is.

Or perhaps they are sending a message to the corporate Democrats.

[Tweet Link]

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

If postal voting has the capacity to be corrupted then the potential for disenfranchisement of it not being available has every bit as much importance.

The answer cannot be to abandon postal voting but rather to improve the management and control over it to ensure that the votes cast are done freely and personally. Audits and specific offences regarding vote harvesting with jail for those found guilty come to mind.

As this thread is about the US election the attempts by Trump to undermine confidence in postal ballots during the pandemic was such an obvious political tactic as to make accusations of corruption by the Democrats laughable. When the surge in use of postal ballots was entirely motivated by those seeking personal safety any problems with "harvesting" fade away to nothing.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

I think that anything other than a conventional, stroll down to your local polling station, show proof of identity and then make the effort to tick a box should be seen as an option that is only granted in the most trying of circumstances.

Voting has to be something that people value. It should require an effort, be something out of the ordinary.

Otherwise, we undermine the faith in the entire electoral system. One of the collective political problems is that people want democracy on the cheap be it people moaning about the relatively pitiful salaries paid to MP's to people somehow thinking its fine to show ID for an Amazon parcel but not wanting to make the effort when it comes to voting.

Democracy has to come with a real cost.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Exactly get off your arse and walk to the polling station and maybe think about who you are voting for and why on the way.

One more point