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Park Road 18 Jun 19 12.34pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Anyone with a particular bias can write a book from a biased perspective. As Aitken is in the same camp as the hard right contributors in these threads it is totally unsurprising that the book he writes meets with their approval and that it's conclusions are similar. That doesn't mean he is right! It just means he has an opinion. Are holocaust biographies also written with a particular bias. As, many of these people were in the same camp(no pun intended). Would these books be met with approval? Are these people right? or do they just have an opinion? If we go by your logic - stating the bleeding obvious, then everyone is biased, and nobody is right, unless, of course, it's you. Edited by Park Road (18 Jun 2019 12.34pm) Edited by Park Road (18 Jun 2019 12.37pm)
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18 Jun 19 12.34pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Anyone with a particular bias can write a book from a biased perspective. As Aitken is in the same camp as the hard right contributors in these threads it is totally unsurprising that the book he writes meets with their approval and that it's conclusions are similar. That doesn't mean he is right! It just means he has an opinion.

Are holocaust biographies also written with a particular bias. As, many of these people were in the same camp(no pun intended).
Would these books be met with approval?

Are these people right? or do they just have an opinion?

If we go by your logic - stating the bleeding obvious, then everyone is biased, and nobody is right, unless, of course, it's you.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Jun 19 1.35pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Your suggestions and opinions are neither of note nor will be acted upon. I have nothing but the frequent hope that everything you fear comes to pass and in some matters I know they will as they are a direct consequence to your type of politics......which you laughably describe as being of the centre. I find you disingenuous and deluded in equal measure and as you continue to reply to me, despite being politely asked to desist from that, I will continue to treat you how that behaviour deserves until I can block you. As you don't own this site you have no more rights than I do here so asking me to "desist" from responding, however politely expressed, is an inappropriate request. If I see what I regard as fallacious arguments being posted, from whatever source, then I will post a response to explain why I believe they are false. It's not you I am addressing. It's the false arguments for which you provide another obvious example in that last response. Because those who think as you seem to think that their views are in the centre, they go on to believe that those who think like me are to the left. I do not believe that your type of opinion could be categorised as anything other than on the hard right and not even on the right of the centre and think most people would agree. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 18 Jun 19 1.35pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Your suggestions and opinions are neither of note nor will be acted upon.

I have nothing but the frequent hope that everything you fear comes to pass and in some matters I know they will as they are a direct consequence to your type of politics......which you laughably describe as being of the centre.

I find you disingenuous and deluded in equal measure and as you continue to reply to me, despite being politely asked to desist from that, I will continue to treat you how that behaviour deserves until I can block you.

As you don't own this site you have no more rights than I do here so asking me to "desist" from responding, however politely expressed, is an inappropriate request. If I see what I regard as fallacious arguments being posted, from whatever source, then I will post a response to explain why I believe they are false. It's not you I am addressing. It's the false arguments for which you provide another obvious example in that last response. Because those who think as you seem to think that their views are in the centre, they go on to believe that those who think like me are to the left.

I do not believe that your type of opinion could be categorised as anything other than on the hard right and not even on the right of the centre and think most people would agree.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Stirlingsays 18 Jun 19 2.06pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle As you don't own this site you have no more rights than I do here so asking me to "desist" from responding, however politely expressed, is an inappropriate request. If I see what I regard as fallacious arguments being posted, from whatever source, then I will post a response to explain why I believe they are false. It's not you I am addressing. It's the false arguments for which you provide another obvious example in that last response. Because those who think as you seem to think that their views are in the centre, they go on to believe that those who think like me are to the left. I do not believe that your type of opinion could be categorised as anything other than on the hard right and not even on the right of the centre and think most people would agree. You call me 'hard right' for holding opinions that are commonplace. Indeed, in many instances, it's your opinions that find themselves in the minority position nationally. A man who recommends that parliament ignores the referendum result yet wants to waffle about his own definitions of what is just and what is fair. A man who on these boards supported the non exposure to the public of the Islamic gang rapes of what turned out to be thousands of girls. If you continue to reply to me, I'll continue to treat you in the manner of how you come across to me. Once you have been asked not to reply to someone there is zero requirement to continue doing so. Your contention that you are addressing the arguments and not me is just another example of your disingenuous BS. If that were so you could do so without replying to me but instead just addressing the point instead. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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18 Jun 19 2.06pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I do not believe that your type of opinion could be categorised as anything other than on the hard right and not even on the right of the centre and think most people would agree.

You call me 'hard right' for holding opinions that are commonplace. Indeed, in many instances, it's your opinions that find themselves in the minority position nationally.

A man who recommends that parliament ignores the referendum result yet wants to waffle about his own definitions of what is just and what is fair.

A man who on these boards supported the non exposure to the public of the Islamic gang rapes of what turned out to be thousands of girls.

If you continue to reply to me, I'll continue to treat you in the manner of how you come across to me.
Once you have been asked not to reply to someone there is zero requirement to continue doing so.

Your contention that you are addressing the arguments and not me is just another example of your disingenuous BS. If that were so you could do so without replying to me but instead just addressing the point instead.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Park Road 18 Jun 19 2.07pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle As you don't own this site you have no more rights than I do here so asking me to "desist" from responding, however politely expressed, is an inappropriate request. If I see what I regard as fallacious arguments being posted, from whatever source, then I will post a response to explain why I believe they are false. It's not you I am addressing. It's the false arguments for which you provide another obvious example in that last response. Because those who think as you seem to think that their views are in the centre, they go on to believe that those who think like me are to the left. I do not believe that your type of opinion could be categorised as anything other than on the hard right and not even on the right of the centre and think most people would agree. I think he just said don't respond to him. It simple. Most respectful types would adhere to that. He obviously thinks you got a screw loose, and I'm sure there are others on here who'd agree. Be the better man Wisbech! and walk away! If someone asks you to not respond, have some respect... Otherwise, people might start to think your some kind of passive aggressive, agitator..- or a bully
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Park Road

18 Jun 19 2.07pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I do not believe that your type of opinion could be categorised as anything other than on the hard right and not even on the right of the centre and think most people would agree.

I think he just said don't respond to him.
It simple. Most respectful types would adhere to that.
He obviously thinks you got a screw loose, and I'm sure there are others on here who'd agree.

Be the better man Wisbech! and walk away!

If someone asks you to not respond, have some respect...

Otherwise, people might start to think your some kind of passive aggressive, agitator..- or a bully

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Jun 19 4.58pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays You call me 'hard right' for holding opinions that are commonplace. Indeed, in many instances, it's your opinions that find themselves in the minority position nationally. A man who recommends that parliament ignores the referendum result yet wants to waffle about his own definitions of what is just and what is fair. A man who on these boards supported the non exposure to the public of the Islamic gang rapes of what turned out to be thousands of girls. If you continue to reply to me, I'll continue to treat you in the manner of how you come across to me. Once you have been asked not to reply to someone there is zero requirement to continue doing so. Your contention that you are addressing the arguments and not me is just another example of your disingenuous BS. If that were so you could do so without replying to me but instead just addressing the point instead. To ensure others don't miss the point being responded to it's usual, and indeed pretty important, to include it, as we both do. That hard right views are indeed becoming increasingly commonplace is certainly true and is one of the things that concerns me about these divided times. I have never suggested that Parliament "ignores" the referendum result. It was Parliament that undertook to respect it and triggered Article 50. My argument is, and always has been, that as Parliament is sovereign they can change their mind in the light of second thoughts and more information. That means that they accept that nothing can ever be set in stone for all time. If Parliament decides that respecting the result means deciding that things have changed so much that it is no longer valid and we need to start again, then that's not only their right, it is their duty. Neither have I ever even expressed an opinion on the wisdom or otherwise of any decisions taken by the Police and other authorities not to publicise their investigations into rape gangs. I have no more idea than anyone else posting here what decisions were taken, so cannot comment on it. All I have suggested is that IF they did that then they would have done so believing it was the right course of action at the time. Trying to manage a potentially explosive and divisive situation quietly might well have seemed a wise thing to do. I don't know if it was done, nor if I would have approved, because I don't know, and it's not an area of any expertise for me. It's the blanket condemnation by those blessed with the benefit of hindsight and from a particular viewpoint against those just trying to do their jobs, which I have commented on. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 18 Jun 19 4.58pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You call me 'hard right' for holding opinions that are commonplace. Indeed, in many instances, it's your opinions that find themselves in the minority position nationally.

A man who recommends that parliament ignores the referendum result yet wants to waffle about his own definitions of what is just and what is fair.

A man who on these boards supported the non exposure to the public of the Islamic gang rapes of what turned out to be thousands of girls.

If you continue to reply to me, I'll continue to treat you in the manner of how you come across to me.
Once you have been asked not to reply to someone there is zero requirement to continue doing so.

To ensure others don't miss the point being responded to it's usual, and indeed pretty important, to include it, as we both do.

That hard right views are indeed becoming increasingly commonplace is certainly true and is one of the things that concerns me about these divided times.

I have never suggested that Parliament "ignores" the referendum result. It was Parliament that undertook to respect it and triggered Article 50. My argument is, and always has been, that as Parliament is sovereign they can change their mind in the light of second thoughts and more information. That means that they accept that nothing can ever be set in stone for all time. If Parliament decides that respecting the result means deciding that things have changed so much that it is no longer valid and we need to start again, then that's not only their right, it is their duty.

Neither have I ever even expressed an opinion on the wisdom or otherwise of any decisions taken by the Police and other authorities not to publicise their investigations into rape gangs. I have no more idea than anyone else posting here what decisions were taken, so cannot comment on it. All I have suggested is that IF they did that then they would have done so believing it was the right course of action at the time. Trying to manage a potentially explosive and divisive situation quietly might well have seemed a wise thing to do. I don't know if it was done, nor if I would have approved, because I don't know, and it's not an area of any expertise for me. It's the blanket condemnation by those blessed with the benefit of hindsight and from a particular viewpoint against those just trying to do their jobs, which I have commented on.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Jun 19 5.09pm
Originally posted by Park Road I think he just said don't respond to him. It simple. Most respectful types would adhere to that. He obviously thinks you got a screw loose, and I'm sure there are others on here who'd agree. Be the better man Wisbech! and walk away! If someone asks you to not respond, have some respect... Otherwise, people might start to think your some kind of passive aggressive, agitator..- or a bully I have heard many people on your side of the fence moan about a perceived decrease in the freedom of speech! Now you want to limit mine. No chance. I will continue to respond to perceived falsehoods as I see fit. There's nothing personal involved. No-one has to read anything here if they don't wish to. With the exception of those who moderate I guess. That someone on the hard right might think those on the middle ground like me might have "a screw loose" is par for their warped course. I find it rather comforting when the responses deteriorate into personal insults as it indicates that the rational arguments have dried up. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 18 Jun 19 5.09pm

Originally posted by Park Road

I think he just said don't respond to him.
It simple. Most respectful types would adhere to that.
He obviously thinks you got a screw loose, and I'm sure there are others on here who'd agree.

Be the better man Wisbech! and walk away!

If someone asks you to not respond, have some respect...

Otherwise, people might start to think your some kind of passive aggressive, agitator..- or a bully

I have heard many people on your side of the fence moan about a perceived decrease in the freedom of speech!

Now you want to limit mine. No chance.

I will continue to respond to perceived falsehoods as I see fit. There's nothing personal involved. No-one has to read anything here if they don't wish to. With the exception of those who moderate I guess.

That someone on the hard right might think those on the middle ground like me might have "a screw loose" is par for their warped course. I find it rather comforting when the responses deteriorate into personal insults as it indicates that the rational arguments have dried up.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Jun 19 5.17pm
Originally posted by Park Road Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Anyone with a particular bias can write a book from a biased perspective. As Aitken is in the same camp as the hard right contributors in these threads it is totally unsurprising that the book he writes meets with their approval and that it's conclusions are similar. That doesn't mean he is right! It just means he has an opinion. Are holocaust biographies also written with a particular bias. As, many of these people were in the same camp(no pun intended). Would these books be met with approval? Are these people right? or do they just have an opinion? If we go by your logic - stating the bleeding obvious, then everyone is biased, and nobody is right, unless, of course, it's you. Edited by Park Road (18 Jun 2019 12.34pm) Edited by Park Road (18 Jun 2019 12.37pm) Opinions about the BBC being biased are just opinions. Different ones are held by lots of people. The holocaust is an established fact. Holocaust denial has become so unacceptable as to be made illegal. That debate is settled and only one opinion tolerated. So hardly a useful analogy. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 18 Jun 19 5.17pm

Originally posted by Park Road

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Are holocaust biographies also written with a particular bias. As, many of these people were in the same camp(no pun intended).
Would these books be met with approval?

Are these people right? or do they just have an opinion?

If we go by your logic - stating the bleeding obvious, then everyone is biased, and nobody is right, unless, of course, it's you.

Edited by Park Road (18 Jun 2019 12.34pm)

Edited by Park Road (18 Jun 2019 12.37pm)

Opinions about the BBC being biased are just opinions. Different ones are held by lots of people.

The holocaust is an established fact. Holocaust denial has become so unacceptable as to be made illegal. That debate is settled and only one opinion tolerated.

So hardly a useful analogy.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Stirlingsays 18 Jun 19 5.32pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle To ensure others don't miss the point being responded to it's usual, and indeed pretty important, to include it, as we both do. I asked you to stop responding to me quite a while ago. You refused.....which I consider to be pretty off....but is your right. I tried ignoring your continued replies to my posts but it only gives the impression that I have no answers for your dross so after a while I resigned myself to replying how I wished to. So, if you ignore my wishes, and insist in including me in your replies I don't expect you to moan about how I address you. You don't respect my wishes so I'm under no obligation to respect yours. Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle That hard right views are indeed becoming increasingly commonplace is certainly true and is one of the things that concerns me about these divided times. Really? Or rather what you regard as 'hard right' is actually a response to the control and balance within our institutions having shifted to the left quite considerably. My opinions were in fact far more commonplace just twenty years ago. It's mainly the middle class and elites living in their slightly ridiculous and filtered bubbles that view people like me as 'hard right'. Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I have never suggested that Parliament "ignores" the referendum result. It was Parliament that undertook to respect it and triggered Article 50. My argument is, and always has been, that as Parliament is sovereign they can change their mind in the light of second thoughts and more information. That means that they accept that nothing can ever be set in stone for all time. If Parliament decides that respecting the result means deciding that things have changed so much that it is no longer valid and we need to start again, then that's not only their right, it is their duty. A distinction without a difference. Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Neither have I ever even expressed an opinion on the wisdom or otherwise of any decisions taken by the Police and other authorities not to publicise their investigations into rape gangs. I have no more idea than anyone else posting here what decisions were taken, so cannot comment on it. All I have suggested is that IF they did that then they would have done so believing it was the right course of action at the time. Trying to manage a potentially explosive and divisive situation quietly might well have seemed a wise thing to do. I don't know if it was done, nor if I would have approved, because I don't know, and it's not an area of any expertise for me. It's the blanket condemnation by those blessed with the benefit of hindsight and from a particular viewpoint against those just trying to do their jobs, which I have commented on. Even within this answer you contradict yourself and dance around the topic with pure disingenuous waffle-speak. Trying to defend your position as a hypothetical when your original posts found no need for these distinctions.....they only emerged once you started receiving heat. You cannot on one hand rationally state that, 'Neither have I ever even expressed an opinion on the wisdom or otherwise of any decisions taken by the Police and other authorities not to publicise their investigations into rape gangs' and then within the very same over long paragraph write, 'Trying to manage a potentially explosive and divisive situation quietly might well have seemed a wise thing to do'....before then bizarrely saying that if that were done, you wouldn't have approved. You are fully deserving of the criticism you have received in this thread for your duplicitous commentary. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

18 Jun 19 5.32pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

To ensure others don't miss the point being responded to it's usual, and indeed pretty important, to include it, as we both do.

I asked you to stop responding to me quite a while ago. You refused.....which I consider to be pretty off....but is your right.

I tried ignoring your continued replies to my posts but it only gives the impression that I have no answers for your dross so after a while I resigned myself to replying how I wished to.

So, if you ignore my wishes, and insist in including me in your replies I don't expect you to moan about how I address you.

You don't respect my wishes so I'm under no obligation to respect yours.

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That hard right views are indeed becoming increasingly commonplace is certainly true and is one of the things that concerns me about these divided times.

Really? Or rather what you regard as 'hard right' is actually a response to the control and balance within our institutions having shifted to the left quite considerably.

My opinions were in fact far more commonplace just twenty years ago. It's mainly the middle class and elites living in their slightly ridiculous and filtered bubbles that view people like me as 'hard right'.

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

A distinction without a difference.

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Neither have I ever even expressed an opinion on the wisdom or otherwise of any decisions taken by the Police and other authorities not to publicise their investigations into rape gangs. I have no more idea than anyone else posting here what decisions were taken, so cannot comment on it. All I have suggested is that IF they did that then they would have done so believing it was the right course of action at the time. Trying to manage a potentially explosive and divisive situation quietly might well have seemed a wise thing to do. I don't know if it was done, nor if I would have approved, because I don't know, and it's not an area of any expertise for me. It's the blanket condemnation by those blessed with the benefit of hindsight and from a particular viewpoint against those just trying to do their jobs, which I have commented on.

Even within this answer you contradict yourself and dance around the topic with pure disingenuous waffle-speak. Trying to defend your position as a hypothetical when your original posts found no need for these distinctions.....they only emerged once you started receiving heat.

You cannot on one hand rationally state that, 'Neither have I ever even expressed an opinion on the wisdom or otherwise of any decisions taken by the Police and other authorities not to publicise their investigations into rape gangs' and then within the very same over long paragraph write, 'Trying to manage a potentially explosive and divisive situation quietly might well have seemed a wise thing to do'....before then bizarrely saying that if that were done, you wouldn't have approved.

You are fully deserving of the criticism you have received in this thread for your duplicitous commentary.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Maine Eagle USA 18 Jun 19 5.38pm
Hello, Creepy Joe. [Tweet Link] Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.
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USA 18 Jun 19 5.38pm

Hello, Creepy Joe.

[Tweet Link]

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

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Maine Eagle USA 18 Jun 19 5.43pm
Trump is nothing if not consistent. [Link] Anything which reflects badly on him - fake. Kind of like how some on here talk about anyone daring to say a no deal brexit could remotely cause any negativity whatsoever, but thats for another thread. He is behind Biden in virtually every major swing state. I think the Trump freak show is coming to an end next year. Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.
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USA 18 Jun 19 5.43pm

Trump is nothing if not consistent.

[Link]

Anything which reflects badly on him - fake.

Kind of like how some on here talk about anyone daring to say a no deal brexit could remotely cause any negativity whatsoever, but thats for another thread.

He is behind Biden in virtually every major swing state.

I think the Trump freak show is coming to an end next year.

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

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Maine Eagle USA 18 Jun 19 5.44pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Even within this answer you contradict yourself and dance around the topic with pure disingenuous waffle-speak. Trying to defend your position as a hypothetical when your original posts found no need for these distinctions.....they only emerged once you started receiving heat. You cannot on one hand rationally state that, 'Neither have I ever even expressed an opinion on the wisdom or otherwise of any decisions taken by the Police and other authorities not to publicise their investigations into rape gangs' and then within the very same over long paragraph write, 'Trying to manage a potentially explosive and divisive situation quietly might well have seemed a wise thing to do'....before then bizarrely saying that if that were done, you wouldn't have approved. You are fully deserving of the criticism you have received in this thread for your duplicitous commentary. You two are quite a pair. One used to live in Wisbech, and left for the South West, and goes by the name Wisbech Eagle. The other one currently lives in...wait for it....Wisbech. Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.
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Maine Eagle

USA 18 Jun 19 5.44pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You are fully deserving of the criticism you have received in this thread for your duplicitous commentary.

You two are quite a pair.

One used to live in Wisbech, and left for the South West, and goes by the name Wisbech Eagle.

The other one currently lives in...wait for it....Wisbech.

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

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Stirlingsays 18 Jun 19 5.47pm
Originally posted by Maine Eagle Hello, Creepy Joe. The upcoming 2020 US election will be quite fun with you putting the Democratic case on these boards Maine. Whatever happens I'm sure there will be more turn ups than at a 'lispy farmer's only' vegetable competition. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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18 Jun 19 5.47pm

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

Hello, Creepy Joe.

The upcoming 2020 US election will be quite fun with you putting the Democratic case on these boards Maine.

Whatever happens I'm sure there will be more turn ups than at a 'lispy farmer's only' vegetable competition.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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