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legaleagle 18 Feb 17 12.13pm
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted Can I also remind you all why I am not responding directly to Gusset.... and I can assure you all it is not because I am "a silly sausage". .................................................. Be careful Hoof,you don't want people to start thinking about what type of sausage (or thing that looks like a sausage) your obsessive pronouncements about NG might make people think you are! Edited by legaleagle (18 Feb 2017 12.14pm)
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18 Feb 17 12.13pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Can I also remind you all why I am not responding directly to Gusset.... and I can assure you all it is not because I am "a silly sausage".

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Be careful Hoof,you don't want people to start thinking about what type of sausage (or thing that looks like a sausage) your obsessive pronouncements about NG might make people think you are!

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Hoof Hearted 18 Feb 17 12.21pm
Originally posted by legaleagle Originally posted by Hoof Hearted Can I also remind you all why I am not responding directly to Gusset.... and I can assure you all it is not because I am "a silly sausage". .................................................. Be careful Hoof,you don't want people to start thinking about what type of sausage (or thing that looks like a sausage) your obsessive pronouncements about NG might make people think you are! Edited by legaleagle (18 Feb 2017 12.14pm) Well he is a Brat and brings out the Wurst in everyone....
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Hoof Hearted 18 Feb 17 12.21pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Can I also remind you all why I am not responding directly to Gusset.... and I can assure you all it is not because I am "a silly sausage".

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Be careful Hoof,you don't want people to start thinking about what type of sausage (or thing that looks like a sausage) your obsessive pronouncements about NG might make people think you are!

Edited by legaleagle (18 Feb 2017 12.14pm)

Well he is a Brat and brings out the Wurst in everyone....

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Hrolf The Ganger 18 Feb 17 12.22pm
Originally posted by legaleagle Amusing...but it doth not make a decent argument in response.. Its got nothing to do with who won or lost...it has got everything to do with the seeming blindness/blithe acceptance of some on here to the flagrant tosh being said on an ongoing basis about the NHS to try and mislead/con voters... Take our dear friend Mr Nuttall (paragon of virtue of this parish)... "The MEP...said his party would be “committed to keeping the NHS in public hands and free at the point of delivery”. During the programme Marr read out comments from Nuttall in 2011 in which he said the “very existence of the NHS stifles competition” and as long as the NHS was the “sacred cow” of British politics “the longer the British people will suffer with a second-rate health service”. A video then showed Nuttall previously describing the NHS as a “monolithic hangover from days gone by” and noting he wanted “more free market introduced into the health service” given the country’s ageing population. Lets at least call a spade a spade... "you" won.....but a pile of tosh remains a pile of tosh whoever wins....especially when the tosh continues post referendum PS.Maybe some of those foamimg uncontrollably so much about Bliar (a political has been) might might to focus on a certain current party leader presently standing for election? "Nuttall was also asked about reports that his CV included claims that he had a PhD in history from Liverpool Hope University. "....separate claim on his personal website earlier this week that he had been a “professional footballer” for Tranmere Rovers. The club denied it..." You lot on the left keep banging on about the NHS but none of you ever have a solution to funding it. The last LAbour government (remember them) did lasting damage and wasted money,so the left have nothing to crow about. You seem to think that because your party were in government when it was founded (with money borrowed from the Americans) you have some moral high ground over it. Everyone wth any sense knows that the NHS cannot continue to function properly under current conditions and more funding is necessary. Who will raise taxes to improve things and how much will it have to continue being raised to cope with the ever increasing population of immigrants and old people?
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18 Feb 17 12.22pm

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Originally posted by legaleagle

Amusing...but it doth not make a decent argument in response..

Its got nothing to do with who won or lost...it has got everything to do with the seeming blindness/blithe acceptance of some on here to the flagrant tosh being said on an ongoing basis about the NHS to try and mislead/con voters...

Take our dear friend Mr Nuttall (paragon of virtue of this parish)...

"The MEP...said his party would be “committed to keeping the NHS in public hands and free at the point of delivery”.

During the programme Marr read out comments from Nuttall in 2011 in which he said the “very existence of the NHS stifles competition” and as long as the NHS was the “sacred cow” of British politics “the longer the British people will suffer with a second-rate health service”.

A video then showed Nuttall previously describing the NHS as a “monolithic hangover from days gone by” and noting he wanted “more free market introduced into the health service” given the country’s ageing population.

Lets at least call a spade a spade...

"you" won.....but a pile of tosh remains a pile of tosh whoever wins....especially when the tosh continues post referendum

PS.Maybe some of those foamimg uncontrollably so much about Bliar (a political has been) might might to focus on a certain current party leader presently standing for election?

"Nuttall was also asked about reports that his CV included claims that he had a PhD in history from Liverpool Hope University.

"....separate claim on his personal website earlier this week that he had been a “professional footballer” for Tranmere Rovers. The club denied it..."

You lot on the left keep banging on about the NHS but none of you ever have a solution to funding it.
The last LAbour government (remember them) did lasting damage and wasted money,so the left have nothing to crow about. You seem to think that because your party were in government when it was founded (with money borrowed from the Americans) you have some moral high ground over it.
Everyone wth any sense knows that the NHS cannot continue to function properly under current conditions and more funding is necessary.
Who will raise taxes to improve things and how much will it have to continue being raised to cope with the ever increasing population of immigrants and old people?

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legaleagle 18 Feb 17 12.25pm
So,perhaps you agree that its a con to pretend you support it to get votes if you don't,which is of course the point I was making rather than the one you respond with? [Link] and lest we forget.... [Link] Edited by legaleagle (18 Feb 2017 12.37pm)
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18 Feb 17 12.25pm

So,perhaps you agree that its a con to pretend you support it to get votes if you don't,which is of course the point I was making rather than the one you respond with?

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and lest we forget....

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Edited by legaleagle (18 Feb 2017 12.37pm)

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legaleagle 18 Feb 17 12.32pm
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted Well he is a Brat and brings out the Wurst in everyone.... You,on the other hand, seem more a Portuguese sausage man rather than the German variety? [Link]
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18 Feb 17 12.32pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Well he is a Brat and brings out the Wurst in everyone....

You,on the other hand, seem more a Portuguese sausage man rather than the German variety?

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Hoof Hearted 18 Feb 17 12.36pm
Originally posted by legaleagle You,on the other hand, seem more a Portuguese sausage man rather than the German variety? [Link] I'm partial to a bit of chorizo but I wouldn't say I'm a Portuguese sausage man, nor have I indicated a preference in any previous postings. You are misrepresenting my sausage preferences and i must order you to desist forthwith.
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Hoof Hearted 18 Feb 17 12.36pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

You,on the other hand, seem more a Portuguese sausage man rather than the German variety?

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I'm partial to a bit of chorizo but I wouldn't say I'm a Portuguese sausage man, nor have I indicated a preference in any previous postings.

You are misrepresenting my sausage preferences and i must order you to desist forthwith.

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Hrolf The Ganger 18 Feb 17 1.04pm
Originally posted by legaleagle So,perhaps you agree that its a con to pretend you support it to get votes if you don't,which is of course the point I was making rather than the one you respond with? [Link] and lest we forget.... [Link] Edited by legaleagle (18 Feb 2017 12.37pm) I don't what you mean by support it. It is an increasing problem that needs a solution. At least five things have to happen. 1.Taxes have to increase. 2.Population has to be controlled. Immigrants become old immigrants. 3.The NHS must limit itself to a core of services. It cannot spread itself too thin. 4. People need to stop pretending that there isn't waste. There needs to be more accountability for expenditure. I know some in the NHS hate hearing that. 5. The NHS needs to stop paying for temporary agency staff and sort their staffing out.
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18 Feb 17 1.04pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

So,perhaps you agree that its a con to pretend you support it to get votes if you don't,which is of course the point I was making rather than the one you respond with?

[Link]

and lest we forget....

[Link]

Edited by legaleagle (18 Feb 2017 12.37pm)

I don't what you mean by support it.

It is an increasing problem that needs a solution.

At least five things have to happen.

1.Taxes have to increase.
2.Population has to be controlled. Immigrants become old immigrants.
3.The NHS must limit itself to a core of services. It cannot spread itself too thin.
4. People need to stop pretending that there isn't waste. There needs to be more accountability for expenditure. I know some in the NHS hate hearing that.
5. The NHS needs to stop paying for temporary agency staff and sort their staffing out.

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legaleagle 18 Feb 17 1.09pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I don't what you mean by support it. It is an increasing problem that needs a solution. At least five things have to happen. 1.Taxes have to increase. 2.Population has to be controlled. Immigrants become old immigrants. 3.The NHS must limit itself to a core of services. It cannot spread itself too thin. 4. People need to stop pretending that there isn't waste. There needs to be more accountability for expenditure. I know some in the NHS hate hearing that. 5. The NHS needs to stop paying for temporary agency staff and sort their staffing out. Please see my prior post.Ignoring my point is not the same as responding to it
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18 Feb 17 1.09pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I don't what you mean by support it.

It is an increasing problem that needs a solution.

At least five things have to happen.

Please see my prior post.Ignoring my point is not the same as responding to it

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Hrolf The Ganger 18 Feb 17 1.17pm
Originally posted by legaleagle Please see my prior post.Ignoring my point is not the same as responding to it So you want to maks some political point about privatisation. That helps nothing. The fact is that some wish to gain from privatisation but that is nothing new. Drug companies make trillions every year. Got a problem with that? We have to decide how much of health care should be privatised and who should pay for it. Some are happy to pay to get private treatment,although most of the time you are seeing the same doctors who are happy to run you through every test possible and prescribe every drug because they are quids in. That is the down side. But if it allows for a core of vital services that are free at the point of use and benefit the majority, then it cannot be dismissed. We cannot expect the NHS to do everything in a changing world.
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Hrolf The Ganger

18 Feb 17 1.17pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

Please see my prior post.Ignoring my point is not the same as responding to it

So you want to maks some political point about privatisation. That helps nothing.

The fact is that some wish to gain from privatisation but that is nothing new. Drug companies make trillions every year. Got a problem with that?

We have to decide how much of health care should be privatised and who should pay for it. Some are happy to pay to get private treatment,although most of the time you are seeing the same doctors who are happy to run you through every test possible and prescribe every drug because they are quids in. That is the down side.
But if it allows for a core of vital services that are free at the point of use and benefit the majority, then it cannot be dismissed.
We cannot expect the NHS to do everything in a changing world.

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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 18 Feb 17 6.54pm
There is much written in this thread and others about the NHS and how it is slowly going to privatisation and it is all being blamed on the conservatives when in fact if the truth were known it was "Boy Blair " who started it all: Here is a small insight to his starting it all off: "However, in 1999 ‘New Labour’ marked the start of a transition of the NHS from a public sector provider to include the private sector under the disguise of choice and competition. New Labour’s reforms of the NHS proved to be highly unpopular both within and outside the mainstream Labour Party. Why did New Labour take this controversial and unpopular route to the delivery of public services? After four successive general election defeats, Labour’s social democratic model of Keynesian demand management economics, progressive taxation, extending welfare spending and redistribution was no longer seen as a practicable solution. New Labour essentially raised the white flag and inverted the principle of social democracy: society was no longer to be the master of the market, but its servant. Labour was to offer a more humane version of Thatcherism in that the state would be actively used to help people survive as individuals in the global economy. Nevertheless, economic interests would always call all the shots. Professor Anthony King described Tony Blair’s administration as the “first ever Labour government to be openly, even ostentatiously pro-business”. Thus, New Labour’s leadership had been “converted” from tolerating private enterprise to actively promoting it – a significant political U-turn" full article: [Link] Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.
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PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 18 Feb 17 6.54pm

There is much written in this thread and others about the NHS and how it is slowly going to privatisation and it is all being blamed on the conservatives when in fact if the truth were known it was "Boy Blair " who started it all:

Here is a small insight to his starting it all off:

"However, in 1999 ‘New Labour’ marked the start of a transition of the NHS from a public sector provider to include the private sector under the disguise of choice and competition. New Labour’s reforms of the NHS proved to be highly unpopular both within and outside the mainstream Labour Party.

Why did New Labour take this controversial and unpopular route to the delivery of public services? After four successive general election defeats, Labour’s social democratic model of Keynesian demand management economics, progressive taxation, extending welfare spending and redistribution was no longer seen as a practicable solution. New Labour essentially raised the white flag and inverted the principle of social democracy: society was no longer to be the master of the market, but its servant. Labour was to offer a more humane version of Thatcherism in that the state would be actively used to help people survive as individuals in the global economy. Nevertheless, economic interests would always call all the shots. Professor Anthony King described Tony Blair’s administration as the “first ever Labour government to be openly, even ostentatiously pro-business”.

Thus, New Labour’s leadership had been “converted” from tolerating private enterprise to actively promoting it – a significant political U-turn"

full article:
[Link]

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 18 Feb 17 7.48pm
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted Can I also remind you all why I am not responding directly to Gusset.... and I can assure you all it is not because I am "a silly sausage". This thread highlights Gusset's debating strategy as plain as day. He regurgitates old arguments he has lost countless times before and uses old out of date quoting support material from dodgy sources.. yet he challenges the validity of opposition material countering his argument (which has been proven invalid before). In other words he has you all going round in circles.... but I won't play that game. Seriously, if you continue to play his game you will be wasting an awful lot of time that you could spend doing something constructive. You seem to be spending a lot of time mentioning me. I half expected a valentines from you this week
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Shizzlehurst 18 Feb 17 7.48pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Can I also remind you all why I am not responding directly to Gusset.... and I can assure you all it is not because I am "a silly sausage".

This thread highlights Gusset's debating strategy as plain as day.

He regurgitates old arguments he has lost countless times before and uses old out of date quoting support material from dodgy sources.. yet he challenges the validity of opposition material countering his argument (which has been proven invalid before).

In other words he has you all going round in circles.... but I won't play that game.

Seriously, if you continue to play his game you will be wasting an awful lot of time that you could spend doing something constructive.

You seem to be spending a lot of time mentioning me. I half expected a valentines from you this week

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legaleagle 18 Feb 17 8.18pm
or at least a Valentine's Day sausage voucher
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18 Feb 17 8.18pm

or at least a Valentine's Day sausage voucher

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