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Ukraine Situation - Should We Be Worried?
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| W12 06 Jul 22 2.38pm | |
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Zelenski wants $750bn for a "recovery plan" Does anyone think any of this is going to the Russian controlled regions in the east? Ukraine is just a huge money laundering operation for western elites, Zelenski and his Oligarch friends. Has been for many years. They are willing to conscript ordinary untrained Ukrainians and throw them into the Russian meat grinder in order to achieve this. Where do you think all this confiscated Russian money is going to go? It's f***ing disgusting.
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 Grumbles 06 Jul 22 2.39pm |
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Originally posted by W12
Zelenski wants 0bn for a "recovery plan" Does anyone think any of this is going to the Russian controlled regions in the east? Ukraine is just a huge money laundering operation for western elites, Zelenski and his Oligarch friends. Has been for many years. They are willing to conscript ordinary untrained Ukrainians and throw them into the Russian meat grinder in order to achieve this. Where do you think all this confiscated Russian money is going to go? It's f***ing disgusting. At the end of WWI it was called reparations.
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| W12 06 Jul 22 2.44pm | |
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Originally posted by Grumbles
At the end of WWI it was called reparations. The reparations that directly lead to WW2?
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Stirlingsays  06 Jul 22 2.59pm |
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Originally posted by Grumbles
me defending the right to free speech or German government bullying? No, I'll always defend the basic right to free speech.
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| deleted 25 06 Jul 22 3.07pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Not really. The Ukraine are massively out gunned with artillery. In truth, if you expect to beat Russia you'd need all of Nato's heavy equipment.....not drips and drabs spread over months....and in truth Nato's trained armies to operate them. The strategy never made much sense to begin with.....in terms of winning. It was always about forcing Russia to stop due to economics. It was pretty dim to begin with but that's the problem with group think and politicians scared to admit failure.
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| Stirlingsays 06 Jul 22 3.25pm |
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Originally posted by Vincehair
I think what you don't know Vince is that the Russians outgun the Ukrainians in artillery by about ten to one. Essentially the Ukraine have asked for Nato's entire arsenal.....which they couldn't get trained on in time anyway and won't get for obvious reasons. Just watch the war play out Vince.
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| deleted 25 06 Jul 22 3.43pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I think what you don't know Vince is that the Russians outgun the Ukrainians in artillery by about ten to one. Essentially the Ukraine have asked for Nato's entire arsenal.....which they couldn't get trained on in time anyway and won't get for obvious reasons. Just watch the war play out Vince. Yes I know they have a 10-1 advantage but Russ logistical problems in getting them now that Ukr have the weapons they asked for and if they had them from the beginning maybe the war could have been over by now.
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| W12 06 Jul 22 4.16pm | |
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Originally posted by Vincehair
Yes I know they have a 10-1 advantage but Russ logistical problems in getting them now that Ukr have the weapons they asked for and if they had them from the beginning maybe the war could have been over by now. Nope, the fighting is now being done mainly by separatists (former Ukranians) supported by Russian artillery. Most Russian units have been swapped out and are getting equipped ready to be mobilised if necessary. Ukraine's losses are now extreme and they are getting slaughtered. It's f***ing tragic.
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| Stirlingsays 06 Jul 22 4.22pm |
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Originally posted by Vincehair
Yes I know they have a 10-1 advantage but Russ logistical problems in getting them now that Ukr have the weapons they asked for and if they had them from the beginning maybe the war could have been over by now. The Ukraine have no right to the entirety of NATO's equipment Vince. Though I agree that if you want to beat Russia you have to essentially do that....but it's not practical...you can't train an Army on so many multiple weapon systems once a war starts.....Nato's armies would have to fight it. But that was never going to happen....You'd be talking WW3. You understand that's far more important than the Ukraine in terms of dead humans.
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| deleted 25 06 Jul 22 5.04pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The Ukraine have no right to the entirety of NATO's equipment Vince. Though I agree that if you want to beat Russia you have to essentially do that....but it's not practical...you can't train an Army on so many multiple weapon systems once a war starts.....Nato's armies would have to fight it. But that was never going to happen....You'd be talking WW3. You understand that's far more important than the Ukraine in terms of dead humans. Who said anything about the entirety of NATO’s equipment
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| deleted 25 06 Jul 22 5.05pm |
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Originally posted by W12
Nope, the fighting is now being done mainly by separatists (former Ukranians) supported by Russian artillery. Most Russian units have been swapped out and are getting equipped ready to be mobilised if necessary. Ukraine's losses are now extreme and they are getting slaughtered. It's f***ing tragic. Ha ha separatists - the judean peoples front ?
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| Grumbles 06 Jul 22 6.31pm |
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Originally posted by Vincehair
Ha ha separatists - the judean peoples front ? Surely the People's front of Judea. Blessed are the cheesemongers.
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