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Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 28 Jun 16 4.39pm Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

Originally posted by Stuk

You don't think that after two decades of being told he's crazy that he shouldn't have a few minutes of "I told you so"?


He could have said that and left it there. He then went on after that to insult people. He may feel justified but it's hardly going set a constructive tone for the talks.

 


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Stuk Flag Top half 28 Jun 16 4.51pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch


He could have said that and left it there. He then went on after that to insult people. He may feel justified but it's hardly going set a constructive tone for the talks.

If a few home truths are classed as insults then too bad. Most of them probably have never had a real job, or created a job.

And them demanding we do x, y and z every 5 minutes is going to help is it? I said this earlier in the thread, even after voting out they still think they can tell us what to do.

It's our choice entirely now. They have no say on article 50, only the withdrawing country does.

 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 28 Jun 16 4.55pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by Stuk

If a few home truths are classed as insults then too bad. Most of them probably have never had a real job, or created a job.

And them demanding we do x, y and z every 5 minutes is going to help is it? I said this earlier in the thread, even after voting out they still think they can tell us what to do.

It's our choice entirely now. They have no say on article 50, only the withdrawing country does.

Around a third of MEPs have previously held national parliamentary mandates, and over 10% have ministerial experience at a national level. There are usually a number of former prime ministers and former members of the European Commission. Many other MEPs have held office at a regional or local level in their home states.

Current MEPs also include former judges, trade union leaders, media personalities, actors, soldiers, singers, athletes, and political activists.

Sh1t peddler

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 28 Jun 16 5.01pm

Originally posted by Stuk

If a few home truths are classed as insults then too bad. Most of them probably have never had a real job, or created a job.

Not really sure it not pot calling the kettle black, as Farage hasn't had a real job either.

 


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Stuk Flag Top half 28 Jun 16 5.01pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

Around a third of MEPs have previously held national parliamentary mandates, and over 10% have ministerial experience at a national level. There are usually a number of former prime ministers and former members of the European Commission. Many other MEPs have held office at a regional or local level in their home states.

Current MEPs also include former judges, trade union leaders, media personalities, actors, soldiers, singers, athletes, and political activists.

Sh1t peddler

Like he said, no real jobs.

 


Optimistic as ever

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Hoof Hearted 28 Jun 16 5.14pm

Originally posted by Mstrobez

The thing that f***s me off mostly with the backlash of this referendum is the fact that the majority of people are playing a game of blaming the voters. Speaking as someone from the younger, working class geberation who voted remain, the majority of young people I've grown up with didn't vote the same. It's sad how unbelievably misinformed they were, and also sad that the very problems that caused the rebellion are most probably the same problems that are only going to get worse. Having said that, in my opinion, the only person who should be to blame for whatever happens over the coming years is David Cameron. I genuinely think you cannot blame people for a lack of intelligence or even ignorance, for many it's a simple case of upbringing, fed up young people who were told lies by parents, friends and people who posed as someone who would represent them, when in fact are as power hungry as anyone is within the current political system, including the EU. All of that aside, its easy to forget the PM was voted into power on the basis of holding a referendum. He knew the risks associated with a leave vote and still couldn't convince over 50% of the U.K. that we were better off out - pretty hard considering whenever a big issue has arisen in the past "it's the EUs fault". The fact of the matter is, it is PMs job to represent as many people in the country as he can, even the ones not as intelligent as those who maybe see the world economically for what it is. He and the rest of the political elite have alienated themselves to such an extent, that a lot of (not all) people who voted leave were prepared to potentially put their own future on the line.

We can blame the electorate all we want but the fact of the matter is, this is Cameron's fault. He put the country at risk for his own personal gain and it's simply failed miserably.

Edited by Mstrobez (28 Jun 2016 4.38pm)

What has "failed miserably?"

The country was asked if they want to stay in the EU.

14.4 million people voted no, they wanted to leave.

Since then, a load of inexperienced market makers over reacted, so the value of the pound fell and the FTSE fell.

Given the weekend to sober up and grow some balls, the value of the pound is rising and the FTSE is back where it was Thursday at close of business.

Cameron has resigned. A new leader and team of Ministers will deal with our withdrawal from the EU and negotiate new deals with the rest of the world if the EU play hardball.

I repeat.... what has "failed miserably?"

 

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ghosteagle Flag 28 Jun 16 5.18pm Send a Private Message to ghosteagle Add ghosteagle as a friend

Originally posted by Mstrobez

The thing that f***s me off mostly with the backlash of this referendum is the fact that the majority of people are playing a game of blaming the voters. Speaking as someone from the younger, working class geberation who voted remain, the majority of young people I've grown up with didn't vote the same. It's sad how unbelievably misinformed they were, and also sad that the very problems that caused the rebellion are most probably the same problems that are only going to get worse. Having said that, in my opinion, the only person who should be to blame for whatever happens over the coming years is David Cameron. I genuinely think you cannot blame people for a lack of intelligence or even ignorance, for many it's a simple case of upbringing, fed up young people who were told lies by parents, friends and people who posed as someone who would represent them, when in fact are as power hungry as anyone is within the current political system, including the EU. All of that aside, its easy to forget the PM was voted into power on the basis of holding a referendum. He knew the risks associated with a leave vote and still couldn't convince over 50% of the U.K. that we were better off out - pretty hard considering whenever a big issue has arisen in the past "it's the EUs fault". The fact of the matter is, it is PMs job to represent as many people in the country as he can, even the ones not as intelligent as those who maybe see the world economically for what it is. He and the rest of the political elite have alienated themselves to such an extent, that a lot of (not all) people who voted leave were prepared to potentially put their own future on the line.

We can blame the electorate all we want but the fact of the matter is, this is Cameron's fault. He put the country at risk for his own personal gain and it's simply failed miserably.

Edited by Mstrobez (28 Jun 2016 4.38pm)

And i'm sure Cameron is overcome with guilt and self-loathing.

 

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Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 28 Jun 16 5.19pm Send a Private Message to Cucking Funt Add Cucking Funt as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Not really sure it not pot calling the kettle black, as Farage hasn't had a real job either.

Yes, he has. Was a FOREX trader a while back. Though if you class that as a 'real job' is another matter.

 


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Stuk Flag Top half 28 Jun 16 5.21pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

What has "failed miserably?"

The country was asked if they want to stay in the EU.

14.4 million people voted no, they wanted to leave.

Since then, a load of inexperienced market makers over reacted, so the value of the pound fell and the FTSE fell.

Given the weekend to sober up and grow some balls, the value of the pound is rising and the FTSE is back where it was Thursday at close of business.

Cameron has resigned. A new leader and team of Ministers will deal with our withdrawal from the EU and negotiate new deals with the rest of the world if the EU play hardball.

I repeat.... what has "failed miserably?"

17,410,742 hoof.

 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 28 Jun 16 5.30pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by Stuk

17,410,742 hoof.


Ah, fvck. Was hoping Hoof was right and that they had made a mistake on the night.

Sorry the 16,141,241

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 28 Jun 16 5.38pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

Around a third of MEPs have previously held national parliamentary mandates, and over 10% have ministerial experience at a national level. There are usually a number of former prime ministers and former members of the European Commission. Many other MEPs have held office at a regional or local level in their home states.

Current MEPs also include former judges, trade union leaders, media personalities, actors, soldiers, singers, athletes and political activists.

Sh1t peddler

Current MEPs also include former judges, trade union leaders, media personalities, actors, soldiers, singers, athletes and political activists.


Proper jobs?

 


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Hoof Hearted 28 Jun 16 5.39pm

Originally posted by fledgling

I'm not asking you for guidance as to which way to vote I was asking for say 5 bullet points as to why leaving is good in your eyes/works for you personally. Not going to pull you on it just wanted to know from someone who is so pro leave what they'll gain.

I've read through this thread daily and other than immigration and "taking back control" much like the politicians in the lead up to the referendum no one has actually said what they want to take control of that's so bad in the first place and why having that control would make a difference to their everyday life/benefit of the masses.

Enjoy your walk and GoT...although based on what you said in the spoiler thread you'll soon be disappointed as the mother of dragons power rarely gets them out after season 1.

Edited by fledgling (28 Jun 2016 12.40pm)

Hi there....

Well I didn't enjoy my walk.... it started raining and I found a young dead squirrel in the road, poor thing. Took it to the woods and gave him a little send off bless him.

I notice you said 'rarely' which gives me hope of seeing her lovely norks again in GoT.

Right I don't believe you do have an agenda and are genuine.

1. Controlled Immigration. As members of the EU we cannot control numbers or quality. We have to admit anyone from an EU country who wants to come here.
2. Sovereignty. We have to abide by the laws of the EU regardless of whether we agree with them. Leaving the EU leaves us free to pass our own laws as and when we see fit.
3. Membership Fees. The Gross cost of being a member is £350 Million per week. Currently we get rebates and refunds which nets the cost to us per year of £8 Billion. Lost forever every year and those rebates/refunds are not guaranteed in the future. That money can be reinvested into the NHS or some other good cause that we decide rather than the EU.
4. Further expansion of EU. More countries are being invited to join. That means potentially more immigrants. If Turkey joins that will mean an influx of more Muslims and the potential for possible terrorists to be amongst them.
5. Limited space in UK. We simply cannot accept any more mass immigration. Our population has grown from 50M to 65M in the last 50 years, but the last decade has seen the fastest growth.
6. Housing & Infrastructure. The level of population growth in point 5 above has meant we have a housing shortage. Not only that though - the associated infrastructure of schools, GP practices, hospitals, roads etc is already unable to cope. Add another 10 million people and it will collapse.
7. The EU is a failed experiment doomed to failure. Greece are on the brink of bankruptcy and others like Italy are heading for fiscal failure too. That means us being asked to pay more to bail them out.

You asked for 5, I gave you 7.

Over to Remain to give their 5 bullet points.

 

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