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Originally posted by Stuk
You don't think that after two decades of being told he's crazy that he shouldn't have a few minutes of "I told you so"?
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
If a few home truths are classed as insults then too bad. Most of them probably have never had a real job, or created a job. And them demanding we do x, y and z every 5 minutes is going to help is it? I said this earlier in the thread, even after voting out they still think they can tell us what to do. It's our choice entirely now. They have no say on article 50, only the withdrawing country does.
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Originally posted by Stuk
If a few home truths are classed as insults then too bad. Most of them probably have never had a real job, or created a job. And them demanding we do x, y and z every 5 minutes is going to help is it? I said this earlier in the thread, even after voting out they still think they can tell us what to do. It's our choice entirely now. They have no say on article 50, only the withdrawing country does. Around a third of MEPs have previously held national parliamentary mandates, and over 10% have ministerial experience at a national level. There are usually a number of former prime ministers and former members of the European Commission. Many other MEPs have held office at a regional or local level in their home states. Current MEPs also include former judges, trade union leaders, media personalities, actors, soldiers, singers, athletes, and political activists. Sh1t peddler
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Originally posted by Stuk
If a few home truths are classed as insults then too bad. Most of them probably have never had a real job, or created a job. Not really sure it not pot calling the kettle black, as Farage hasn't had a real job either.
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Around a third of MEPs have previously held national parliamentary mandates, and over 10% have ministerial experience at a national level. There are usually a number of former prime ministers and former members of the European Commission. Many other MEPs have held office at a regional or local level in their home states. Current MEPs also include former judges, trade union leaders, media personalities, actors, soldiers, singers, athletes, and political activists. Sh1t peddler Like he said, no real jobs.
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Originally posted by Mstrobez
The thing that f***s me off mostly with the backlash of this referendum is the fact that the majority of people are playing a game of blaming the voters. Speaking as someone from the younger, working class geberation who voted remain, the majority of young people I've grown up with didn't vote the same. It's sad how unbelievably misinformed they were, and also sad that the very problems that caused the rebellion are most probably the same problems that are only going to get worse. Having said that, in my opinion, the only person who should be to blame for whatever happens over the coming years is David Cameron. I genuinely think you cannot blame people for a lack of intelligence or even ignorance, for many it's a simple case of upbringing, fed up young people who were told lies by parents, friends and people who posed as someone who would represent them, when in fact are as power hungry as anyone is within the current political system, including the EU. All of that aside, its easy to forget the PM was voted into power on the basis of holding a referendum. He knew the risks associated with a leave vote and still couldn't convince over 50% of the U.K. that we were better off out - pretty hard considering whenever a big issue has arisen in the past "it's the EUs fault". The fact of the matter is, it is PMs job to represent as many people in the country as he can, even the ones not as intelligent as those who maybe see the world economically for what it is. He and the rest of the political elite have alienated themselves to such an extent, that a lot of (not all) people who voted leave were prepared to potentially put their own future on the line. We can blame the electorate all we want but the fact of the matter is, this is Cameron's fault. He put the country at risk for his own personal gain and it's simply failed miserably. Edited by Mstrobez (28 Jun 2016 4.38pm) What has "failed miserably?"
The country was asked if they want to stay in the EU. 14.4 million people voted no, they wanted to leave. Since then, a load of inexperienced market makers over reacted, so the value of the pound fell and the FTSE fell. Given the weekend to sober up and grow some balls, the value of the pound is rising and the FTSE is back where it was Thursday at close of business. Cameron has resigned. A new leader and team of Ministers will deal with our withdrawal from the EU and negotiate new deals with the rest of the world if the EU play hardball. I repeat.... what has "failed miserably?"
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Originally posted by Mstrobez
The thing that f***s me off mostly with the backlash of this referendum is the fact that the majority of people are playing a game of blaming the voters. Speaking as someone from the younger, working class geberation who voted remain, the majority of young people I've grown up with didn't vote the same. It's sad how unbelievably misinformed they were, and also sad that the very problems that caused the rebellion are most probably the same problems that are only going to get worse. Having said that, in my opinion, the only person who should be to blame for whatever happens over the coming years is David Cameron. I genuinely think you cannot blame people for a lack of intelligence or even ignorance, for many it's a simple case of upbringing, fed up young people who were told lies by parents, friends and people who posed as someone who would represent them, when in fact are as power hungry as anyone is within the current political system, including the EU. All of that aside, its easy to forget the PM was voted into power on the basis of holding a referendum. He knew the risks associated with a leave vote and still couldn't convince over 50% of the U.K. that we were better off out - pretty hard considering whenever a big issue has arisen in the past "it's the EUs fault". The fact of the matter is, it is PMs job to represent as many people in the country as he can, even the ones not as intelligent as those who maybe see the world economically for what it is. He and the rest of the political elite have alienated themselves to such an extent, that a lot of (not all) people who voted leave were prepared to potentially put their own future on the line. We can blame the electorate all we want but the fact of the matter is, this is Cameron's fault. He put the country at risk for his own personal gain and it's simply failed miserably. Edited by Mstrobez (28 Jun 2016 4.38pm) And i'm sure Cameron is overcome with guilt and self-loathing.
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Not really sure it not pot calling the kettle black, as Farage hasn't had a real job either. Yes, he has. Was a FOREX trader a while back. Though if you class that as a 'real job' is another matter.
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
What has "failed miserably?"
The country was asked if they want to stay in the EU. 14.4 million people voted no, they wanted to leave. Since then, a load of inexperienced market makers over reacted, so the value of the pound fell and the FTSE fell. Given the weekend to sober up and grow some balls, the value of the pound is rising and the FTSE is back where it was Thursday at close of business. Cameron has resigned. A new leader and team of Ministers will deal with our withdrawal from the EU and negotiate new deals with the rest of the world if the EU play hardball. I repeat.... what has "failed miserably?" 17,410,742 hoof.
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Originally posted by Stuk
17,410,742 hoof.
Sorry the 16,141,241
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Around a third of MEPs have previously held national parliamentary mandates, and over 10% have ministerial experience at a national level. There are usually a number of former prime ministers and former members of the European Commission. Many other MEPs have held office at a regional or local level in their home states. Current MEPs also include former judges, trade union leaders, media personalities, actors, soldiers, singers, athletes and political activists. Sh1t peddler Current MEPs also include former judges, trade union leaders, media personalities, actors, soldiers, singers, athletes and political activists.
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Originally posted by fledgling
I'm not asking you for guidance as to which way to vote I was asking for say 5 bullet points as to why leaving is good in your eyes/works for you personally. Not going to pull you on it just wanted to know from someone who is so pro leave what they'll gain. I've read through this thread daily and other than immigration and "taking back control" much like the politicians in the lead up to the referendum no one has actually said what they want to take control of that's so bad in the first place and why having that control would make a difference to their everyday life/benefit of the masses. Enjoy your walk and GoT...although based on what you said in the spoiler thread you'll soon be disappointed as the mother of dragons power rarely gets them out after season 1. Edited by fledgling (28 Jun 2016 12.40pm) Hi there.... Well I didn't enjoy my walk.... it started raining and I found a young dead squirrel in the road, poor thing. Took it to the woods and gave him a little send off bless him. I notice you said 'rarely' which gives me hope of seeing her lovely norks again in GoT. Right I don't believe you do have an agenda and are genuine. 1. Controlled Immigration. As members of the EU we cannot control numbers or quality. We have to admit anyone from an EU country who wants to come here. You asked for 5, I gave you 7. Over to Remain to give their 5 bullet points.
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