Farage asks for grown up negotiations and then goes on to insult everyone in the same breath. He shouldn't be anywhere near any discussions

You may well be right but Boris has said,

"Yes, the Government will be able to take back democratic control of immigration policy, with a balanced and humane points-based system to suit the needs of business and industry."

That was after saying what we all know he's said,

"British people will still be able to go and work in the EU; to live; to travel; to study; to buy homes and to settle down. As the German equivalent of the CBI - the BDI - has very sensibly reminded us, there will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market."

I don't really what to believe from Boris atm, perhaps why Theresa May is ahead in the Polls. I suppose we have to wait and see what they get down on paper.

I've said before, I can see us wanting as a compromise the freedom of movement with a job offer or education offer. It will be some sort of control, it allows movement, and isn't xenophobic, or racist, which has had its true meaning stretched. It could satisfy a lot of the electorate. London, low paid workers, youngsters, students in particular.

I would agree with Boris that an agreement that is basically EEA but without one of the key tenets of it would be the ideal scenario for us, but I don't really see how it's going to happen. We're at a disadvantage in negotiations and it's very telling and intentional that no discussions can even take place until we have enacted article 50. There is talk of various candidates running on a platform of putting toward their 'view of what deal we're looking for', but it's meaningless because we'll have no way of knowing if it's something that's doable.

I don't for one moment think that controlling number sof immigrants is by itself racist or xenophobbic in any way. It's sensible and if the EU had given even a small amount of control over it I think we'd have voted the other way. My thought though, is that even though this is clearly an area that people want addressed, it's a difficult thing to make happen in reality even outside of the EU, and it's something that I doubt politicians have the will be persue as the vast majority of them still view high levels of immigration in a positive light.

Whoever takes over is in an unenviable situation, because for various reasons it's likely that everyone will be unhappy with whatever path we take.

Please try to stop reading things into my posts which aren't there. I have said that the result of the referendum has given added impetus to a nationalistic feel within the country.

Most people express this nationalism in the proper way. Some, the far right, have grabbed onto this feeling and the amount of racist attacks reported have risen significantly. I have not blamed the majority of people who voted leave for this but I have no doubt that the far right groups also voted for leave (if they can make a X of course) but I have never suggested they represent the majority of the leave voters.

As I said if you actually read what I have posted you will see I have NOT insinuated what you are suggesting.

I am invariable impressed with your posts BPF.

I guess everyone is hoping for the Switzerland deal. But the Swiss started out in a different place and have no doubt worked plenty of political magic over the years to get to where they are. Probably including having plenty of politicians' money stashed away.

So we are left with the tricky situation that the one thing the majority of people thought they were voting for - and most cared about - is highly unlikely to be what they really voted for. Clever work by those whose agenda was to wrest power away from the EU.