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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 17 Feb 17 4.12pm

UKIP leader running in imminent by election has press coverage that is reflected on messageboards shocker.

 
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davenotamonkey Flag 17 Feb 17 6.14pm Send a Private Message to davenotamonkey Add davenotamonkey as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Being caught out as a liar. Its a big distinction for a politician. You can manipulate and spin the truth, but the one sin is being caught out as lying.

The difference between being a suspect and being found guilty.

Like with the 350m.

Would you like to point me to the section in whichever myriad EU treaties we've had signed for us that guarantees the UK receives it's rebate, and moreover that it has complete freedom to spend the various infrastructural "funds" (lol) on whatever we please?

Reality check: if we wanted to spend that £350m on on whatever we pleased, we couldn't:

1. The rebate could have been removed on a whim. There is no legal right to it.
2. The remaining UK taxpayer funds we receive back as "EU money" could only be spent on specific things. Moreover, a large fraction of that was conditional on "matched funding" from UKgov. Yup: "Here's £1.5mm of your own money to spend on anything you like, as long as it's rural heritage centre in the middle of Wales where no one will go. Oh, by the way: Trump up for the other £1.5m or you can't build it".

Sorry I said Trump. Didn't mean to trigger you.

Instead of being told, like little children, how to spend our own money, we opted to not earmark £350m per week to an EU that could rightfully have said: "you know what? We're not doing that rebate thing any more, and you're only allowed to spend your funds on roads. In Romania".

Now. Ah, yes. Lies. Where's the recession? Where's the mass unemployment? Where's the locusts? Where's the punishment budget? Where's the “serried rows of white headstones”? Where's the relocation of banks? Where's the drop in house prices? Why did we spend a record £77.56bn at Christmas when "Brexit has ruined us"? Where's the back of the queue? Where's the exodus of companies? Why isn't Cameron still PM as he promised?

I could go on, but it's pretty boring harping back to a referendum that supposedly we were all too stupid to understand.


Edited by davenotamonkey (17 Feb 2017 6.14pm)

 
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matt_himself Flag Matataland 17 Feb 17 6.44pm Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

Would you like to point me to the section in whichever myriad EU treaties we've had signed for us that guarantees the UK receives it's rebate, and moreover that it has complete freedom to spend the various infrastructural "funds" (lol) on whatever we please?

Reality check: if we wanted to spend that £350m on on whatever we pleased, we couldn't:

1. The rebate could have been removed on a whim. There is no legal right to it.
2. The remaining UK taxpayer funds we receive back as "EU money" could only be spent on specific things. Moreover, a large fraction of that was conditional on "matched funding" from UKgov. Yup: "Here's £1.5mm of your own money to spend on anything you like, as long as it's rural heritage centre in the middle of Wales where no one will go. Oh, by the way: Trump up for the other £1.5m or you can't build it".

Sorry I said Trump. Didn't mean to trigger you.

Instead of being told, like little children, how to spend our own money, we opted to not earmark £350m per week to an EU that could rightfully have said: "you know what? We're not doing that rebate thing any more, and you're only allowed to spend your funds on roads. In Romania".

Now. Ah, yes. Lies. Where's the recession? Where's the mass unemployment? Where's the locusts? Where's the punishment budget? Where's the “serried rows of white headstones”? Where's the relocation of banks? Where's the drop in house prices? Why did we spend a record £77.56bn at Christmas when "Brexit has ruined us"? Where's the back of the queue? Where's the exodus of companies? Why isn't Cameron still PM as he promised?

I could go on, but it's pretty boring harping back to a referendum that supposedly we were all too stupid to understand.


Edited by davenotamonkey (17 Feb 2017 6.14pm)

 

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 17 Feb 17 7.44pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

Would you like to point me to the section in whichever myriad EU treaties we've had signed for us that guarantees the UK receives it's rebate, and moreover that it has complete freedom to spend the various infrastructural "funds" (lol) on whatever we please?

Reality check: if we wanted to spend that £350m on on whatever we pleased, we couldn't:

1. The rebate could have been removed on a whim. There is no legal right to it.
2. The remaining UK taxpayer funds we receive back as "EU money" could only be spent on specific things. Moreover, a large fraction of that was conditional on "matched funding" from UKgov. Yup: "Here's £1.5mm of your own money to spend on anything you like, as long as it's rural heritage centre in the middle of Wales where no one will go. Oh, by the way: Trump up for the other £1.5m or you can't build it".

Sorry I said Trump. Didn't mean to trigger you.

Instead of being told, like little children, how to spend our own money, we opted to not earmark £350m per week to an EU that could rightfully have said: "you know what? We're not doing that rebate thing any more, and you're only allowed to spend your funds on roads. In Romania".

Now. Ah, yes. Lies. Where's the recession? Where's the mass unemployment? Where's the locusts? Where's the punishment budget? Where's the “serried rows of white headstones”? Where's the relocation of banks? Where's the drop in house prices? Why did we spend a record £77.56bn at Christmas when "Brexit has ruined us"? Where's the back of the queue? Where's the exodus of companies? Why isn't Cameron still PM as he promised?

I could go on, but it's pretty boring harping back to a referendum that supposedly we were all too stupid to understand.


Edited by davenotamonkey (17 Feb 2017 6.14pm)

I stay clear of political threads to prevent them turning into WILLO threads with my protagonists hurling bile and vitriol and de-railing the debate.

But I thought that on this occasion I would make an exception and congratulate you on an excellent post.
As a 'Brexiteer' and someone on the 'Right' of the Conservative Party I say jolly well done !

 
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legaleagle Flag 17 Feb 17 7.47pm

Stop turning it into another Willo thread!

Edited by legaleagle (17 Feb 2017 7.48pm)

 
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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 17 Feb 17 7.51pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by legaleagle

Stop turning it into another Willo thread!

Edited by legaleagle (17 Feb 2017 7.48pm)

Had enough of them already ! Darned tedious and wearisome, besides they de-rail some interesting debates.

This is my final post on this thread !!!!

 
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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 17 Feb 17 8.27pm

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

Would you like to point me to the section in whichever myriad EU treaties we've had signed for us that guarantees the UK receives it's rebate, and moreover that it has complete freedom to spend the various infrastructural "funds" (lol) on whatever we please?

Reality check: if we wanted to spend that £350m on on whatever we pleased, we couldn't:

1. The rebate could have been removed on a whim. There is no legal right to it.
2. The remaining UK taxpayer funds we receive back as "EU money" could only be spent on specific things. Moreover, a large fraction of that was conditional on "matched funding" from UKgov. Yup: "Here's £1.5mm of your own money to spend on anything you like, as long as it's rural heritage centre in the middle of Wales where no one will go. Oh, by the way: Trump up for the other £1.5m or you can't build it".

Sorry I said Trump. Didn't mean to trigger you.

Instead of being told, like little children, how to spend our own money, we opted to not earmark £350m per week to an EU that could rightfully have said: "you know what? We're not doing that rebate thing any more, and you're only allowed to spend your funds on roads. In Romania".

Now. Ah, yes. Lies. Where's the recession? Where's the mass unemployment? Where's the locusts? Where's the punishment budget? Where's the “serried rows of white headstones”? Where's the relocation of banks? Where's the drop in house prices? Why did we spend a record £77.56bn at Christmas when "Brexit has ruined us"? Where's the back of the queue? Where's the exodus of companies? Why isn't Cameron still PM as he promised?

I could go on, but it's pretty boring harping back to a referendum that supposedly we were all too stupid to understand.


Edited by davenotamonkey (17 Feb 2017 6.14pm)

All well and good, but many many people believed the 350million quid for the NHS line. They weren't as well informed as you appeared to have been. I'm sure I read somewhere that it was a key driver towards people voting leave.

Much as I hate Blair, he raised some good points about getting something that looks nothing like we wanted out of the exit deal

Yes we're leaving. Not a problem for me. But I don't trust Theresa May to get the best for anyone but her mates who will all be alright even if the rest of us aren't. She's not the safe pair of hands she's cracked up to be imho.

 
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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 17 Feb 17 8.57pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

All well and good, but many many people believed the 350million quid for the NHS line. They weren't as well informed as you appeared to have been. I'm sure I read somewhere that it was a key driver towards people voting leave.

Much as I hate Blair, he raised some good points about getting something that looks nothing like we wanted out of the exit deal

Yes we're leaving. Not a problem for me. But I don't trust Theresa May to get the best for anyone but her mates who will all be alright even if the rest of us aren't. She's not the safe pair of hands she's cracked up to be imho.


We haven't left yet.
The 350 million thing is the most feeble crap I've ever heard.
As if figures aren't bandied about before all elections that cannot possibly be accurate.

Let it go man, let it go.

 
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Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 17 Feb 17 10.15pm Send a Private Message to Penge Eagle Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Penge Eagle as a friend

It's complete bulls*** to say that bus headline was what swung people to vote for Brexit. So basically, you are saying that people who voted for Brexit are stupid because the result wasn't what you wanted!

So Nick, if the net figure of £220m was used on the bus, would that have really made a difference?

Most people knew that £350m was a gross figure (it was mentioned in so many interviews by the pro-EU media). Nothing wrong with gross figures by the way. I mean we talk about job salaries that way.

PLUS, most people would know that NHS spending is down to the government at the time. The official leave campaign was NOT the government! However, any government can spend £300m, £400m or £500m extra on the NHS if it wanted, but that wasn't the point. The argument was having the control to spend that extra money on the UK!

Nick, people aren't stupid. They knew exactly what they voted for and WE WON!

Edited by Penge Eagle (17 Feb 2017 10.17pm)

 
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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 17 Feb 17 11.05pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger


We haven't left yet.
The 350 million thing is the most feeble crap I've ever heard.
As if figures aren't bandied about before all elections that cannot possibly be accurate.

Let it go man, let it go.

[Link]


from Vote Leave director Dominic Cummings

Pundits and MPs kept saying ‘why isn’t Leave arguing about the economy and living standards’. They did not realise that for millions of people, £350m/NHS was about the economy and living standards – that’s why it was so effective. It was clearly the most effective argument not only with the crucial swing fifth but with almost every demographic. Even with UKIP voters it was level-pegging with immigration. Would we have won without immigration? No. Would we have won without £350m/NHS? All our research and the close result strongly suggests No. Would we have won by spending our time talking about trade and the Single Market? No way.


Seems someone who might know about these things thinks differently.


(awaits 'just a lefty blog' by way of rebuttal which doesn't counter the argument.)

 
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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 17 Feb 17 11.10pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

It's complete bulls*** to say that bus headline was what swung people to vote for Brexit. So basically, you are saying that people who voted for Brexit are stupid because the result wasn't what you wanted!

So Nick, if the net figure of £220m was used on the bus, would that have really made a difference?

Most people knew that £350m was a gross figure (it was mentioned in so many interviews by the pro-EU media). Nothing wrong with gross figures by the way. I mean we talk about job salaries that way.

PLUS, most people would know that NHS spending is down to the government at the time. The official leave campaign was NOT the government! However, any government can spend £300m, £400m or £500m extra on the NHS if it wanted, but that wasn't the point. The argument was having the control to spend that extra money on the UK!

Nick, people aren't stupid. They knew exactly what they voted for and WE WON!

Edited by Penge Eagle (17 Feb 2017 10.17pm)

Most people, is this from a recognised survey or just a hunch?

I'm not saying anyone is stupid, if it was so stupid of them what's all this about?

[Link]

A national broadcaster asks about the £350 million quid, (40 seconds in) she didn't know she was supposed to know it was bulls***!

The money for the NHS (as it turns out lie) thing was used over and over again in the campaign.

 
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legaleagle Flag 17 Feb 17 11.18pm

Yup, there sure was a lot of genuine love and support for the NHS within the Leave campaign..

"Matthew Elliott, Chief Executive of Vote Leave was previously chief executive of the Taxpayers Alliance, which advocated far harsher public spending cuts than those carried out by the Government.

In addition last March when Mr Elliott was still a director of the organisation it set out details of how it would increase charges for NHS services.

These included a “£20 flat-rate GP consultation charge”; a “£20 daily ‘hotel’ charge for overnight hospital stays.."

Edited by legaleagle (17 Feb 2017 11.25pm)

 
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