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Badger11 Beckenham 13 Jun 19 9.29am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
The BBC has defended her and the show was pre-recorded plenty of time to edit it out, make an apology etc. As I have said on several occasions make a racist comment meant or not and there is no way back with the BBC no second chances etc. However they don't take that view with other things such a this. I thought Jo made the cardinal sin of any comedian, it wasn't funny.
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Midlands Eagle 13 Jun 19 9.48am | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
As I have said on several occasions make a racist comment meant or not and there is no way back with the BBC no second chances etc. However they don't take that view with other things such a this. I thought Jo made the cardinal sin of any comedian, it wasn't funny. I think that once the media frenzy has died down it will be the show's producer and editors who will be in trouble as they heard the "joke" and did nothing about it
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Teddy Eagle 13 Jun 19 9.51am | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
The BBC has defended her and the show was pre-recorded plenty of time to edit it out, make an apology etc. As I have said on several occasions make a racist comment meant or not and there is no way back with the BBC no second chances etc. However they don't take that view with other things such a this. I thought Jo made the cardinal sin of any comedian, it wasn't funny. That’s true. Like a lot of what passes for comedy it’s just pandering to the audience rather than having any humour involved. Audiences seem as easily amused as Wimbledon crowds who are convulsed by a pigeon landing on the court.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Jun 19 11.02am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
What does their charter say about the several celebrity abuse cases which they kept quiet about? As it doesn't say anything at all that is specific to any case, but sets out the standards it aspires to, you already know the answer. So why ask the question? The BBC have admitted their failures over such cases and reviewed procedures. Everyone can learn and do better. That mistakes happen doesn't equal what some want it to.
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Teddy Eagle 13 Jun 19 12.02pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
As it doesn't say anything at all that is specific to any case, but sets out the standards it aspires to, you already know the answer. So why ask the question? The BBC have admitted their failures over such cases and reviewed procedures. Everyone can learn and do better. That mistakes happen doesn't equal what some want it to. The question was purely rhetorical. The high moral standards you seem to ascribe to the BBC are obviously quite pliable. In the case of the abusers at the BBC the decision not to do anything about known situations was taken out of expediency; not for any lack of procedural guidance.
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Hrolf The Ganger 13 Jun 19 12.39pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
As it doesn't say anything at all that is specific to any case, but sets out the standards it aspires to, you already know the answer. So why ask the question? The BBC have admitted their failures over such cases and reviewed procedures. Everyone can learn and do better. That mistakes happen doesn't equal what some want it to. A politicians answer. The 'lessons must be learned' excuse. The media is full of Lefties and although I have always liked Jo Brand as a comedian, this kind of political bias, and in this case, celebration of violence toward political figures, is totally unacceptable. The BBC staff responsible for allowing that to be aired knew exactly what they were doing. Your disregard for objectivity and self awareness is reaching new highs.
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elgrande bedford 13 Jun 19 3.35pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
How do you know that any "liberal or PC fascist" conspired to stop the extent of the abuse becoming public knowledge? I don't think anyone yet knows exactly why things were handled as they were but I am quite sure that whatever was done, was done in good faith. You can argue that hindsight has shown it to be wrong but not the motives of those taking the decisions at the time. We can all be clever dicks once the fog of uncertainty has cleared and the need to support the Police by avoiding compromising their investigations has gone away. We just don't know all the circumstances and those arm chair experts who think they do don't help. That's why people like "Robinson" are not actually making things better by stirring up hatred. I don't know if there was a cover up anymore than you do. I also don't know if the media exercised voluntary restraint or whether they were requested to. I am not defending, or condemning any of these things. I am though defending the attacks on the motivations of the decision makers who I am certain thought they were doing the right thing. Hindsight hasn't worked either,there has been numerous cases in numerous towns and cities since.
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elgrande bedford 13 Jun 19 3.39pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
The question was purely rhetorical. The high moral standards you seem to ascribe to the BBC are obviously quite pliable. In the case of the abusers at the BBC the decision not to do anything about known situations was taken out of expediency; not for any lack of procedural guidance. Ester ransom setting up child line...really she has admitted she knew what saville was up to for years. Just as guilty as far as I am concerned.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Jun 19 11.56pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
The question was purely rhetorical. The high moral standards you seem to ascribe to the BBC are obviously quite pliable. In the case of the abusers at the BBC the decision not to do anything about known situations was taken out of expediency; not for any lack of procedural guidance. If I remember correctly the individuals who took those decisions have long gone but nevertheless received the criticism they deserved, despite the obviously different cultural environment which existed back then. Everything evolves, including the BBC and it's approach to this kind of subject.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Jun 19 12.04am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
A politicians answer. The 'lessons must be learned' excuse. The media is full of Lefties and although I have always liked Jo Brand as a comedian, this kind of political bias, and in this case, celebration of violence toward political figures, is totally unacceptable. The BBC staff responsible for allowing that to be aired knew exactly what they were doing. Your disregard for objectivity and self awareness is reaching new highs. I don't think this was about Jo Brand but from the little I know about her "joke" I completely agree that it was not an acceptable thing to say and has, I believe, now been edited out of the recording. Individual BBC staff can make bad judgements, just as we all can. They are human too. Doesn't mean the BBC as a whole is failing does it?
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Teddy Eagle 14 Jun 19 12.06am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
If I remember correctly the individuals who took those decisions have long gone but nevertheless received the criticism they deserved, despite the obviously different cultural environment which existed back then. Everything evolves, including the BBC and it's approach to this kind of subject. Yes, possibly but the cultural environment wasn’t so different as to allow that kind of behaviour. It was just as wrong and everyone knew it. Moreover there is no statute of limitations on these crimes. As in other cases the victims have been forgotten and the fear is in what else has been tacitly accepted and/or covered up over the years.
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Teddy Eagle 14 Jun 19 12.10am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I don't think this was about Jo Brand but from the little I know about her "joke" I completely agree that it was not an acceptable thing to say and has, I believe, now been edited out of the recording. Individual BBC staff can make bad judgements, just as we all can. They are human too. Doesn't mean the BBC as a whole is failing does it? Not in and of itself, no. The problem is this is seen as just another example of the BBCs descent into mediocrity and biased reporting.
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