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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 02 Jul 22 5.40pm
Wonder how Stirling's getting on over there? Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 02 Jul 22 5.40pm

Wonder how Stirling's getting on over there?

Red and Blue Army!

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 02 Jul 22 7.40pm
It's been all getting a bit BBS on here recently. Deconstruct the argument, not the poster. I disengage, I turn the page.
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It's been all getting a bit BBS on here recently. Deconstruct the argument, not the poster.

I disengage, I turn the page.

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Grumbles 02 Jul 22 8.22pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC Wonder how Stirling's getting on over there? Waiting for W12 to emplace his 105mm.
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Grumbles 02 Jul 22 8.22pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Wonder how Stirling's getting on over there?

Waiting for W12 to emplace his 105mm.

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Grumbles 02 Jul 22 8.34pm
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly A bit of a Blast-from-the-Past, but I'm trying to make a point about the (UK) media. During the Cold War I recall the UK/USA press generally being dismissive of Russian military technology. "Aging Russian tanks destroyed in Afghanistan" and stuff along those lines about clockwork machine guns etc. The West, in the meantime was developing "Star Wars" under President Reagan. We could kick those Ruskies backsides and not even break sweat. However, the Berlin Wall came down and the USSR broke up in 1990. In 1994 the Russians brought some hardware to the Farnborough airshow and the West had the first opportunity to see Russian military tech' in operation. And the Russian avionics were so brilliant, it left western meeja speechless. All those years of lying to joe public about how good Western Tech' was, and the Russians would have given us a kicking in airpower. Western Media has learned nothing In what way were they impressed with a SU-27, some of the stats were impressive but I seem to recollect rather short legged with poor weapon systems. Amalgamated with western radar and weaps it would have been formidable defwnsive aircraft. That is probably the big lie, western right wing governments in the 80s needed people to believe "Red Joe" would still roll over Europe till they got the Atlantic. It covered up mistakes like the build up to the Falklands and the likes of John Nott, strikes, poverity, the sell off assets owned by all, etc., etc..
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

A bit of a Blast-from-the-Past, but I'm trying to make a point about the (UK) media.
During the Cold War I recall the UK/USA press generally being dismissive of Russian military technology. "Aging Russian tanks destroyed in Afghanistan" and stuff along those lines about clockwork machine guns etc. The West, in the meantime was developing "Star Wars" under President Reagan.
We could kick those Ruskies backsides and not even break sweat.

However, the Berlin Wall came down and the USSR broke up in 1990.
In 1994 the Russians brought some hardware to the Farnborough airshow and the West had the first opportunity to see Russian military tech' in operation.
And the Russian avionics were so brilliant, it left western meeja speechless. All those years of lying to joe public about how good Western Tech' was, and the Russians would have given us a kicking in airpower.
Western Media has learned nothing

In what way were they impressed with a SU-27, some of the stats were impressive but I seem to recollect rather short legged with poor weapon systems. Amalgamated with western radar and weaps it would have been formidable defwnsive aircraft.

That is probably the big lie, western right wing governments in the 80s needed people to believe "Red Joe" would still roll over Europe till they got the Atlantic. It covered up mistakes like the build up to the Falklands and the likes of John Nott, strikes, poverity, the sell off assets owned by all, etc., etc..

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Stirlingsays 02 Jul 22 8.45pm
Being a Nazi in the Russian Army doesn't make a lot of sense if you think about it....owning to the fact that they killed somewhere between twenty to thirty million Russians/slavs. Nationalists however make the main bulk of any army.....So far right sure, but within the Russian context. Actual National Socialists are essentially potentially violently against Jews and communists, who also see slavs as a lower order.....It just doesn't fit. This is more an extreme nationalism thing with adopted historical symbols with adjusted motivations.....It's going to be mostly adjusted by Ukrainian nationalists as an anti Russian marker.....it'll exist within a lot of anti Russian nations, Poland for example....another nation, like the Ukraine, who suffered heavily under the Nazis. I know the Wagner group are private mercenaries working for Russia....mainly made up of vets from around the Russian sphere. Units will have their own identities....but it isn't going to be how the west thinks of Nazis. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Jul 2022 8.48pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Being a Nazi in the Russian Army doesn't make a lot of sense if you think about it....owning to the fact that they killed somewhere between twenty to thirty million Russians/slavs.

Nationalists however make the main bulk of any army.....So far right sure, but within the Russian context.

Actual National Socialists are essentially potentially violently against Jews and communists, who also see slavs as a lower order.....It just doesn't fit.

This is more an extreme nationalism thing with adopted historical symbols with adjusted motivations.....It's going to be mostly adjusted by Ukrainian nationalists as an anti Russian marker.....it'll exist within a lot of anti Russian nations, Poland for example....another nation, like the Ukraine, who suffered heavily under the Nazis.

I know the Wagner group are private mercenaries working for Russia....mainly made up of vets from around the Russian sphere. Units will have their own identities....but it isn't going to be how the west thinks of Nazis.

Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Jul 2022 8.48pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 02 Jul 22 8.51pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC Wonder how Stirling's getting on over there? 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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02 Jul 22 8.51pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Wonder how Stirling's getting on over there?

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 03 Jul 22 10.51am
Battlefield update: [Link] 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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03 Jul 22 10.51am

Battlefield update:

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'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 03 Jul 22 12.29pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Welcome back Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 03 Jul 22 12.29pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Welcome back

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Stirlingsays 03 Jul 22 1.20pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC Welcome back Tips hat. Those Russian birds charge too much....I've completely run out of peanuts. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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03 Jul 22 1.20pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Welcome back

Tips hat.

Those Russian birds charge too much....I've completely run out of peanuts.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 03 Jul 22 1.35pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Tips hat. Those Russian birds charge too much....I've completely run out of peanuts. Snake Island looked nice in the brochures. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 03 Jul 22 1.35pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Tips hat.

Those Russian birds charge too much....I've completely run out of peanuts.

Snake Island looked nice in the brochures.

Red and Blue Army!

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Stirlingsays 03 Jul 22 1.41pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC Snake Island looked nice in the brochures. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

03 Jul 22 1.41pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Snake Island looked nice in the brochures.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 03 Jul 22 1.52pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Tips hat. Those Russian birds charge too much....I've completely run out of peanuts. I wonder how many years it would take for Russians to holiday in Britain and offer us a loaf l of bread for a pair of 2022 Levis? Probably Superdry these days. COYP
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Caterham 03 Jul 22 1.52pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Tips hat.

Those Russian birds charge too much....I've completely run out of peanuts.

I wonder how many years it would take for Russians to holiday in Britain and offer us a loaf l of bread for a pair of 2022 Levis? Probably Superdry these days.

COYP

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